04-11-2003 19:41									#1
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Just noticed this at civ3.com:

http://civ3.com/devupdate_newwonders.cfm

Some highlights...

quote: Considering that Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

quote: The Crusader units that it produces, while slower then knights, are just as strong and have the added ability to create fortresses.

Note that Crusaders are 5.3.1, meaning knights must now be 5.3.2.

Great Wall ( Kudos to the AU Mod!! ) :

quote: This wonder has been changed to add walls to any city on the same continent.

Shakespeare's Theater:

quote: To further enhance this Wonder, we modified it so that it now allows you to surpass the 12 population limit in the city which it was built.

Military Academy:

quote: ...all Armies now receive 1/6th of the combined attack/defense rating as a bonus to the Armies combat effectiveness...

Tourist wonders:

quote: The Pyramids The Oracle Hanging Gardens The Great Wall The Statue of Zeus The Temple of Artemis Mausoleum of Mausollos The Great Library The Colossus The Great Lighthouse The Sistine Chapel Leonardo's Workshop Copernicus's Observatory Shakespeare's Theater Newton's University JS Bach's Cathedral Hoover Damn United Nations

	04-11-2003 19:43									#2
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quote: Hoover Damn

Their spelling, not mine.

	04-11-2003 19:44									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Hoover Damn

Damn!

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quote: Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

Hmm, may have to re-think that Republic beeline I've been using. Back to CivII, I see.

quote: Great Wall - This wonder has been changed to add walls to any city on the same continent.

AU mod. This is now powerful, as a "Great Wonder" should be. I'm a tad surprised nothing was done to the Oracle.

-Arrian

	04-11-2003 20:24									#5
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Some very improvements indeed

For those who tried this before:
Wouldn't a 5.3.2 knight be a little strong?
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I'm surprised they didn't change anything on Hoover Damn. (well except the spelling that is )

	04-11-2003 20:32									#6
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I doubt Knights are 5/3/2.

I think "just as strong" means "equally capable attackers". The death rate of Knights and Crusaders (on offense) is very similar (Knights retreat to fight another day, Crusaders punch harder).


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quote: Originally posted by alva I'm surprised they didn't change anything on Hoover Damn. (well except the spelling that is).

What's wrong with the Hoover Dam?


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Crusaders: Immortals of the Middle Ages.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Shakespeare's Theater:

Its about freakin time. That was the first mod and thread I posted about at CFC (before I discover Poly).

Looks they decided a lot of stuff the posters on Apoly and CFC were doing were good ideas.

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quote: Originally posted by Dominae What's wrong with the Hoover Dam? Dominae

The AI's low pririty on getting it (saved my butt once on a deity game ) (could have been changed?)
If the human player gets it, it's virtualy game over.

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Ah, then you would have to solve the Theory of Evolution problem first, right?


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I'm thinking it may be difficult to get much time from the Tourist attraction from these:

Copernicus's Observatory : I can see reaching this before 1050 AD, but not much before 900 AD, and if your that far ahead, shouldn't you win by spaceship before the 1000 years occurs?

Shakespeare's Theater : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1050 AD.

Newton's University : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1200 AD.

Hoover Dam : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1300 AD.

United Nations: I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1400 AD.

	05-11-2003 09:39									#14
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Tourist bonus only kicks in after 1000 years?

Maybe they should make it based partly on the number of turns.

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From what I read (don't remember where) it is 100 TURNS for tourist attractions.

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quote: Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

I guess I'll have to research this instead of buying it.

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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn I'm thinking it may be difficult to get much time from the Tourist attraction from these: Copernicus's Observatory : I can see reaching this before 1050 AD, but not much before 900 AD, and if your that far ahead, shouldn't you win by spaceship before the 1000 years occurs? Shakespeare's Theater : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1050 AD. Newton's University : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1200 AD. Hoover Dam : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1300 AD. United Nations: I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1400 AD.

hi ,

newt's in 950 AD , .....

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Tourist bonus only kicks in after 1000 years? Maybe they should make it based partly on the number of turns.

Is there a word in Klingon for 'you can always mod it; that's what the editor is for after all'?

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Crusaders: Immortals of the Middle Ages.

Unless they're up against the new Musketeers, I suppose...

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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Their spelling, not mine.

They've always had spelling issues with Civ3.

	06-11-2003 05:01									#21
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That's on purpose, it makes the patch fixes list look more impressive.

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Well, that makes much more sense.

But I'm fairly sure I win by space ship before the 100 turns after finishing the UN.

quote: Originally posted by Jaybe From what I read (don't remember where) it is 100 TURNS for tourist attractions.

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hi ,

so , any other easteregg's found yet , ......

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quote: Tourist wonders: The Pyramids The Oracle Hanging Gardens The Great Wall The Statue of Zeus The Temple of Artemis Mausoleum of Mausollos The Great Library The Colossus The Great Lighthouse The Sistine Chapel Leonardo's Workshop Copernicus's Observatory Shakespeare's Theater Newton's University JS Bach's Cathedral Hoover Damn United Nations

No Statue of Liberty? Isn't that a Tourist attraction? You could make a case for the FP to be one too.

And 5 attack Knights/Crusaders sounds fine with the new 5 defence Musketeers. It just puts the Medieval Era that bit beyond the Ancient Age, much as the Industrial era, with 10 defence Infantry and Artillery, blows away everything in the Medieval Age.

Just thinking on it now though, this DEFINITELY puts up the power of research - you get units that really outclass the earlier era units, and with upgrade costs so much more you gotta get those techs earlier so you can actually build some of the new-fangled units.

	07-11-2003 03:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt No Statue of Liberty? Isn't that a Tourist attraction? You could make a case for the FP to be one too. And 5 attack Knights/Crusaders sounds fine with the new 5 defence Musketeers. It just puts the Medieval Era that bit beyond the Ancient Age, much as the Industrial era, with 10 defence Infantry and Artillery, blows away everything in the Medieval Age. Just thinking on it now though, this DEFINITELY puts up the power of research - you get units that really outclass the earlier era units, and with upgrade costs so much more you gotta get those techs earlier so you can actually build some of the new-fangled units.

hi ,

, one could wonder if they could not include the statue of liberty in a patch or so , .....

Firaxis

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	07-11-2003 04:41									#26
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panag - that could well be done, although I imagine they may have left it out for a reason, hopefully not just because it has only existed the last 220 years!

Of course, assuming the editor is complete, we can always go and modify the .bic file to include it as a tourist attraction.

/facetious mode

The Internet is a tourist attraction too. It attracts so many every year, full of businesses cashing in on the visitors - it just never has an off-season and doesn;t actually exist in ine place...

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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt panag - that could well be done, although I imagine they may have left it out for a reason, hopefully not just because it has only existed the last 220 years! Of course, assuming the editor is complete, we can always go and modify the .bic file to include it as a tourist attraction. /facetious mode The Internet is a tourist attraction too. It attracts so many every year, full of businesses cashing in on the visitors - it just never has an off-season and doesn;t actually exist in ine place...

hi ,

and the hoover damn is older then 220 years , .......

yes it can be put in true the editor , but it should have been included , .....

and they could build the WTC of NY also , lets say as a special wonder for the american civ only , why , well so we may never forget 9/11

have a nice day