05-11-2003 13:10									#31
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quote: Both think of violence as a virtue and sex as a shameful thing - atleast christianity does (I'm not so sure about islam).

You have it backwards. Both would say that in marriage sex can be a beautiful thing. It's not a matter of them seeing sex as sinful, but something that can be very powerful, and ought to be treated with due care.

As for violence, no Christian would glorify violence done for it's own sake. And you do run across the occasional pacifist.

	05-11-2003 13:28									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Huh? They can make the difference?!?! I dont remember making the difference when I was a kid. I remember thinking that Mr.T was the strongest man in the world. I also remember thinking that commando was lifting a real tree trunk at the begining of the movie but I realized 5 years later when I saw the movie again that it was made of stirofoam. So no, kids dont make the difference. And I know my 3 year old son doesn't. And I cant do shlt about him falling on Rambo in the middle of the afternoon when he's flipping channels. Spec.

At what age do they start knowing what is real then? Even then, there is still nothing they can do with their violent knowledge. Had I had access to porn as a kid, then my pre-pre-teen sexual experiment stage would have been a whole lot more serious as I would have know exactly where to stick it.

fwiw, I thiknk rambo in the afternoon is wrong. I dont think you would see anything like that over here before the 9pm watershed.

	05-11-2003 14:13									#33
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Spiffor:

quote: It (pornographic acts) goes very quickly and the whole ordeal can look quite violent

I don't want to judge peoples tastes on sex. Some like it gentle, some like it hard

Ben Kenobi:
You don't have to look back more than 500 years in history (crusades), and you'll notice how peaceful religion christianity is. Actually you don't even have to go that far - America will do too (and the sayings of G.W.Bush). And according to islam, if you fight and die in jihad, you get to go to the paradise. I'd say they both are pro-violence.

Well, not perhaps pro, but definetily not anti-violence.

And atleast Catholic religion is against pre-marital sex. But I don't understand why: marriage is not a sacrament.

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Aaglo:

quote: You don't have to look back more than 500 years in history (crusades), and you'll notice how peaceful religion christianity is.

Did they go to war for religious motives, or for other reasons? One of the Crusades sacked Constantinople.

Secondly, Christians can and do make mistakes about what their religion teaches. There is no justification for the Crusades in scripture.

Finally, do even the Crusades fall under the category of violence for its own sake?

I actually concede the point on Islam. It is debateable whether or not Islam calls for the slaughter of unbelievers.

quote: And atleast Catholic religion is against pre-marital sex. But I don't understand why: marriage is not a sacrament

Not sure what you're getting at here. Marriage, according to Catholics is a sacrament.

	05-11-2003 15:20									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Not sure what you're getting at here. Marriage, according to Catholics is a sacrament.

Okay, my mistake. In protestantism marriage is not a sacrament (I thought it was so in the whole christianity).

	05-11-2003 15:58									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp If porn was happy and realistic, I might agree- but it invariably isn't. It's usually nasty, tacky and forced.

Truth.

	05-11-2003 18:28									#37
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*waves @ UR's girlfriend*
damn, you really have him by the balls, don't you?

Seriously, not all porn is violent, or doesn't show what's great in sex. and what the hell does "objectifies women" mean?

	05-11-2003 18:41									#38
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Oh, kids can see all the explosions, gunfights, and beatings they want.

But GOD FORBID they ever see a nude female! That would be disastrous!

	05-11-2003 20:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel *waves @ UR's girlfriend* damn, you really have him by the balls, don't you?

Nothing to do with Angelica. Okay, maybe a little

quote: Originally posted by Azazel Seriously, not all porn is violent, or doesn't show what's great in sex. and what the hell does "objectifies women" mean?

Okay, lets be blunt.

How does "a walking life support system for a *****" sound?

	05-11-2003 21:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi As for violence, no Christian would glorify violence done for it's own sake....

What about George Bush?


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	05-11-2003 21:43									#41
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Oh, kids can see all the explosions, gunfights, and beatings they want. But GOD FORBID they ever see a nude female! That would be disastrous!

Exactly what I ment....only sarcasticly...



SPec.

	05-11-2003 22:51									#42
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo I don't want to judge peoples tastes on sex. Some like it gentle, some like it hard

Sure. And I like it both
But I don't think children should get to see "hard" sex at a period where their understanding of sex remains very limited, and where they could develop into thinking sex has to be "hard", is necessarily related to violence etc. I have no real beef with porn being extremely quick and loveless. I have a beef with showing such porn to fragile children.

Now, I have no problem with children seeing nudity, even at their youngest age (actually, I think children should get to see naked people before getting to see clothed people ). I have no problem with children witnessing couples having sex, as long as such sex cannot be confused by their fragile minds as something violent / hateful or the like. I.e, if you intend to have it hard on honey tonight, don't do it in front of the children

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quote: Okay, lets be blunt. How does "a walking life support system for a *****" sound?

five asterisks?

	05-11-2003 23:21									#44
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midnight - 4am should be completley un censored, more or less anything goes (short of 'wierd **** etc'). If an 8 yr old is up at 3am watching porn, then i am sure the parents have some explaining to do.

But whats the point of debating this? Have any of you seen how **** late night stuff is on sky (UK)??? USeless, bloody useless

If some teenager could stay at home, erm, playng with himnsel all night, i am sure he won't be out pissed in some alley causing problems. Way i see it anyway....

	06-11-2003 00:17									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Exactly what I ment....only sarcasticly... SPec.

Correct! To the Prudemobile, Spec! We must quash the sexual references that somehow turn children into violent murderers!

	06-11-2003 00:27									#46
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I want more of both...

	06-11-2003 00:57									#47
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Correct! To the Prudemobile, Spec! We must quash the sexual references that somehow turn children into violent murderers!

Peter North, here we come!!

LMAO!

quote: If some teenager could stay at home, erm, playng with himnsel all night, i am sure he won't be out pissed in some alley causing problems. Way i see it anyway....

I think so too.

Spiffor: I agree with you but....dont you find it strange that kids find violence in Rambo entertaining but hard sex frightning?! Hard sex, up to a certain point, is natural, but blowing up someone is not.


Spec.

	06-11-2003 03:56									#48
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man midnight - 4am should be completley un censored, more or less anything goes (short of 'wierd **** etc'). If an 8 yr old is up at 3am watching porn, then i am sure the parents have some explaining to do.

Right. But Id go at 2 am because if it starts at 4 and play for 2 hours then it would finish at 6am. Cartoons play at 6am.


Spec.

	06-11-2003 04:25									#49
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quote: What about George Bush?

While I don't agree with his reasons for going to war, he has never said that he's going just to kill some ragheads.

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quote: Originally posted by Spec Spiffor: I agree with you but....dont you find it strange that kids find violence in Rambo entertaining but hard sex frightning?!

I guess it has to do with the directing. Have pretty-shiny colors in your porn scene, and a kid will find it entertaining, whatever the scene depicts

But I don't think kids too young (like before 5-6) should be eposed to either Rambo or hard sex. They should progressively get used to it later though. But I have a further reserve for hard sex: kids won't be Rambo for real anytime soon. They are to do Porn only a few years later. Better not mess with the way they'll actually have sex, and better introduce the topic smoothly.

Now, if we were in Liberia, with children-soldiers running galore, I'd advise not to show them Rambo, because going Rambo is the best way to get killed. Or whatever, they're used as fanatical cannon fodder after all

	06-11-2003 04:32									#51
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Porn
Rambo
I couldn't decide.. I'd be flipping the two channels like crazy. Or get a second tv.

	06-11-2003 04:34									#52
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I too felt this thread was really for you Pekka

	06-11-2003 04:49									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Porn Rambo I couldn't decide.. I'd be flipping the two channels like crazy. Or get a second tv.

If you had kids Pekka, which would you rather have them watch?


Spec.

	06-11-2003 05:42									#54
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id much rather have porn, but like stuff that isnt neccesarily erotic like bukkake...

primetime happy bukkake hour!

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 id much rather have porn, but like stuff that isnt neccesarily erotic like bukkake... primetime happy bukkake hour!

Ya...bukkake is not erotic....

It's nasty!!

Spec.

	06-11-2003 06:12									#56
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haha, so kids should be able to watch it

	06-11-2003 06:14									#57
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I'd rather have erotic than porn.

	06-11-2003 17:39									#58
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Spec, what do you mean? I'd watch it with them.
Maybe Rambo would be my choice with the kids.

	06-11-2003 17:42									#59
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*broad grin* I don't know where you live, but there is never any really good torture on TV where I am.

	06-11-2003 17:48									#60
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MrBaggins, I don't know where you're from, but we get Bold and the Beautiful.