05-11-2003 02:42									#1
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Something came to my mind.

Do you poeple find it normal that someone, such as Rambo, can play at 6 pm at night and blow poeples heads off, burn villages, kill poeple, gun people, name it (all thing that we are not allowed to do by law or moral) BUT porn is not allowed at 6pm or whenever (XXX I mean).

Hear me first.

Setting aside from child pornography, beastiality and all that weird shlt, porn movies should be aloud at any hour. Making love or having sex is something that everyone does or will do someday. Our survival depends on it. It is not illegal to have sex in anyway unless it is with a minor, and even in these cases there are exeptions.

BUT

It is illegal and immoral to kill, torture, rape or beat up poeple but it is allowed to be shown on TV at anytime....Where is the logic.

I cannot see poeple have sex on TV, like I do with my girlfriend but I am allowed to see someone get his arms torn off on TV. And if I try that on someone I'll get 20 to life.

I think that poeple should re-think their priorities.

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	05-11-2003 02:51									#2
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If porn was happy and realistic, I might agree- but it invariably isn't. It's usually nasty, tacky and forced.

	05-11-2003 02:51									#3
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I'd say neither ought to be shown at an early hour. Kids will get plenty of instruction when they get older in the 'how's and why's.'

	05-11-2003 02:57									#4
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I know ben, but Id rather have my kid see some guy pounding on a girl than Commando cutting a guys head in half.

LATG: Depends on which porn you talk about. Like comedy, there is fine comedy and there is "Hardcore" comedy. Of course I would vote for light pron and no Hardcore porn that aims at a selective clientel such as Dissident.

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	05-11-2003 02:59									#5
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Happy, realistic, and healthy sex ought to be accessible even to kids (maybe not broadcast at cartoon's time though - I think kids should get acquainted with sex only at some point of their development, because even happy sex can look violent and traumatic to the youngest ones)

Porn should not, because it is nasty and humiliating. I find it actually very sad porn is the only graphical sexual education the kids have a dubious access to.

Rambo-ish movies should also be broadcasted later. Such violence, especially when it's shown in a positive light, should not be showed to kids for it could shake their conceptions of good and bad (if this exposure is systematical)

BTW, congrats for the thread-title. Had me immediately click on it

	05-11-2003 03:10									#6
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Not all hardcore porn is the same, either.

	05-11-2003 03:19									#7
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quote: BTW, congrats for the thread-title. Had me immediately click on it

Me too

And I thought Pekka changed the nickname too

	05-11-2003 03:20									#8
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More sex, less violence, and a happy Whaleboy!

	05-11-2003 03:29									#9
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For one thing, rambo is just special effects and I think kids know that. Its not like they can just lay their hands on a helicopter and wreak havoc. Girls are much easier for them to lay their hands on.

	05-11-2003 03:31									#10
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Not for rambo fans Snotty!

	05-11-2003 03:35									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Not for rambo fans Snotty!

Not to which bit....?

Rambo is real to rambo fans?

Rambo fans can lay their hands on helicopters?

Rambo fans cant lay their hands on girls?

	05-11-2003 03:37									#12
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All of the above...

MtG!!!

	05-11-2003 03:39									#13
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I think what the media shows us tempers us to the society. Violent films allow us to cope with the violent nature of society (wars and all) while not showing porn inphaizes the personal nature of intamicy that society wishes to maintain. Why this intimate nature? To avoid diseases, high birth rates, and polygamy. Why is this bad? I don't know. I don't think the intentions of keeping porn on the down-low began because of these concerns but is propogated because of them. Perhpas the origions have to do with religious strongholds, embaressment, or even just plan out heterophobia.

	05-11-2003 05:56									#14
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Funny you should mention Rambo, I was watching Rambo 3 just yesterday. I had the laugh of my life, considering what's happening in Afghanistan nowdays. I was expecting Bin Laden to show up as an extra somewhere in the film.

Rambo 3 was on prime time yesterday (21:00) and had a "Parental consent required" (PG-13 equivalent IIRC) rating. Right after that (23:00), the same channel aired, a very controversial film which I enjoyed watching for the second time: "American History X" starring Edward Norton. This is widely considered as an extremely violent film and it had a rating one scale heavier: "Inappropriate for under 15 years old".

IMHO, learning about keeping out of hate groups is much more sound and useful for juveniles than learning to shoot the evil foes of uncle Sam, whoever they may be each time. Even if the former comes in more shocking scenes than the latter.

	05-11-2003 06:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I think what the media shows us tempers us to the society. Violent films allow us to cope with the violent nature of society (wars and all) while not showing porn inphaizes the personal nature of intamicy that society wishes to maintain. Why this intimate nature? To avoid diseases, high birth rates, and polygamy. Why is this bad? I don't know. I don't think the intentions of keeping porn on the down-low began because of these concerns but is propogated because of them. Perhpas the origions have to do with religious strongholds, embaressment, or even just plan out heterophobia.

Ummmm, I disagree. Porn is seen as the devil because of religion, more precisly christianity. Being a virgin is pure and a women who has a lot of sex is automaticly a whore. That's where, imo, it comes from.

quote: For one thing, rambo is just special effects and I think kids know that. Its not like they can just lay their hands on a helicopter and wreak havoc. Girls are much easier for them to lay their hands on.

Huh? They can make the difference?!?! I dont remember making the difference when I was a kid. I remember thinking that Mr.T was the strongest man in the world. I also remember thinking that commando was lifting a real tree trunk at the begining of the movie but I realized 5 years later when I saw the movie again that it was made of stirofoam.

So no, kids dont make the difference. And I know my 3 year old son doesn't. And I cant do shlt about him falling on Rambo in the middle of the afternoon when he's flipping channels.

But I hadn't thought of that Spiffor, maybe kids could see it as a violent act, but never as violent as chopping someones head of with a spoon....


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	05-11-2003 06:08									#16
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quote: IMHO, learning about keeping out of hate groups is much more sound and useful for juveniles than learning to shoot the evil foes of uncle Sam, whoever they may be each time. Even if the former comes in more shocking scenes than the latter.

I think watching "American History X" at too young an age may scar some kids. It's incredibly powerful and depressing (in the end).

	05-11-2003 06:14									#17
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Nothing beats porn!

	05-11-2003 06:21									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Nothing beats porn!

Yea, real sex.


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	05-11-2003 07:04									#19
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In more "primitive" societies children often see adults having sex. Does that negatively impact them? I don't think so... Does Rambo? I don't think so... Of course, there will always be individuals playing with a short deck who can't deal with life and try to take others with them and God only knows what their trigger will be if Rambo and porn aren't around, but when we design society around the loose cannons, we end up treating everyone like loose cannons and that ain't freedom.

Ashcroft is now going after "violent" porn, you know, simulated rape scenes, etc., based on the ridiculous notion that seeing a rape will induce non-rapists to commit rape. The "proof" for this assertion? Rapists are often found to possess simulated rape scenes. Gee, did possessing this material create a rapist or do rapists seek out this material because they...are...rapists! Yeah, Rambo made me a murderer.

Isn't it ironic how some conservatives will ridicule liberals for promoting the "victimization" of America by "defending" criminals by claiming "society" made them while using that same argument when it comes to porn?

The liberal:

poverty made me a criminal

The conservative:

porn made me a criminal

Just go away the both of you.

	05-11-2003 07:12									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp If porn was happy and realistic, I might agree- but it invariably isn't. It's usually nasty, tacky and forced.

the good porn at least

	05-11-2003 07:14									#21
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quote: In more "primitive" societies children often see adults having sex. Does that negatively impact them? I don't think so...

I dunno aboot that,
I know people who grew up with thier bedroom right next to thier parents, who were very active in the dirty, and they grew up to be pretty fooked in the head.

besides that first few times I saw sex in movies (porn or otherwise) I thought it was very disturbing and violent, unless it was slow and sweet.

edit: granted when it was slow and sweet I had no clue what the heck was happening.

	05-11-2003 07:15									#22
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You know how they are always taking "legitimate" movies and changing the title to sound nasty for the porno version?

I guess they didn't have to go to far for "Ram Bo"

	05-11-2003 07:17									#23
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yeah well... little boys who are disgusted by girls who got 'cooties' and refer to sex as the 'other s-word' go around playing cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, and soldiers.

	05-11-2003 08:34									#24
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Is sex dirty? Yes, if you do it right....

I'd rather watch porn than 'Rambo'.

Porn is more honest.

Saying that, I'd say the 'A-Team' was worse than 'Rambo' (violent actions have serious consquences in 'Rambo', not in the 'A-Team') and 'Baywatch' far worse than 'Debbie does Dallas'.

	05-11-2003 09:08									#25
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quote: I dunno aboot that, I know people who grew up with thier bedroom right next to thier parents, who were very active in the dirty, and they grew up to be pretty fooked in the head. besides that first few times I saw sex in movies (porn or otherwise) I thought it was very disturbing and violent, unless it was slow and sweet. edit: granted when it was slow and sweet I had no clue what the heck was happening.

I said "primitive" societies, not puritanical dysfunctional societies.

	05-11-2003 11:35									#26
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Porn does not show you what's good, healthy, happy sex. The purpose of porn is to get the viewer all hot and excited. The portait of women is overwhelmingly depraved.

	05-11-2003 11:54									#27
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Okay,
The essence of porn movies is showing sex. The essence of Rambo (and the like) movies is showing violence.

People say here that 'porn does not show you what's good, healthy and happy sex'. I agree. Since I'm not in the porn industry, I don't know if women in porn industry are abused, repressed and defamed.

I say that violence does not show anything good. It's quite sickening.

This is the direct cause of the double standards originating from the two religions - christianity and islam. Both think of violence as a virtue and sex as a shameful thing - atleast christianity does (I'm not so sure about islam).

I choose porn over rambo - anytime.

	05-11-2003 12:09									#28
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Porn is boring.

	05-11-2003 12:20									#29
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yeah it is. I can only be turned on so long before I get bored. On the other hand I can watch people getting decapitated all night long

	05-11-2003 12:46									#30
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Aaglo:
I don't think women in porn industry are repressed, at least not in the respectable porn industry (in the underground, it must be wildly different).
But our point of criticizing porn doesn't come from what happens behind the scenes, but on what happen onstage. Whatever the true feelings of the actors really are, porn shows you mindless and loveless sex. It goes very quickly and the whole ordeal can look quite violent (in the meaning people move very fast, women sream strangely, etc.)