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Alexander The Great
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Athens,Greece
Nov 1999
time: 05:13
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This wouldn't work. The MOVEUNIT command just tells units to move in their normal fashion (overriding the AI if it wants to move them elsewhere.) Also, it doesn't work anyway.
One interesting idea might be to simulate the need for supply trains to go with armies. You could make every unit an aircraft with range of 0 (this would have to be on a map w/o easily accessible ocean), and then make a supply train ground unit that costs quite a bit to produce and has the "Can refuel air units" flag on. The armies would thus get weaker and weaker the further they went from friendly cities without a supply train, and it would be essential to send at least one with every invading army. This would open up a new strategy of going straight for the enemy's food.
An interesting variation on this would be to make the Supply Train an aircraft with range of 10 or so. The food contained on it would thus only be enough to last troops a few turns away from their home before it runs out (in normal game terms, crashes). Some advances, like Refrigeration, could give you supply trains with a greater range, so your armies can stay out in the field in a far-off land longer.
Of course, this would mess up the AI big-time, so it would be best for multiplayer...
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Stefu
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CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
Jan 1970
time: 07:13
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Damn, I started thread exactly like ths only 10 days ago! Anyway, here's post I started that thread with.
There have been few tricks for scenarios floating around in my head. I am too lazy to make scenarios, so anyone
can use them if they need. (As if they'd need my approval!)
Anyway. First would be about American Civil War - type scenario. Well, not necessarily that, but it would be best
example. I've been thinking about best way to simulate Confederacy to get England and France to support itself,
and I think I've got it.
Trade.
In this case, England and France would both we shown as whole. Bit like in Nemo's American Civil War
scenario. They both would only be able to build capitalization - at least in start of the scenario. Also, they'd both
be researching tech called Intervention. Normally they wouldn't be able to research it until scenario ends.
However, if Confederacy manages to run enough caravans (with blockade runners) to Europe, that would
naturally stimulate their trade, leading to more science coming out. So, if Confederacy manages to get enough
stuff to Europe, they'd actually research the tech in time to help Confederacy. That would, of course, mean
Confederacy getting extra troops from Europe. Also, British would have some units in Canada. However, they
couldn't move until research of Intervention (English would have Leonardo's Workshop to upgrade the units), but
after that, US would face prospect of invasion from Canada. Same could be done with British navy.
Trade wouldn't necessarily do it alone, of course. Europeans wouldn't be able to build anything, right? So, if
Confederacy manages to score victories, they could get techs to make Europeans able to build libraries,
universities and wonders to stimulate science. I'm not sure if they'd actually do that, but if they did, this model
would become even better. Likewise, if Union scores victories, Europeans would get loads of useless
technologies, which would slow their research down.
Another idea is about arms trading. One of those Israeli scenarios already had one application of idea - both
sides had Arms trader unit, which could, once in turn "buy" (attack) unit, which would then be transferred to side
who "bought" it. My idea, however, has been developing itself for some time. It includes allowing negotiations
with foreign powers, and modifying tech exchange. Instead of technologies being swapped, bought and sold, the
foreign power would have "Arms". These, when gained by side buying them, would cause new stuff appearing to
them via events.txt. This would allow the foreign power to gift the buying power with "Arms", for sides to possibly
swap "Arms" (one side could have loads of useless tecnologies with high point value, making foreign power
want to share technologies), or buy them with money (like in regular Civ: "Give us 200 gold and we'll give you
Writing" would change into "Give us 200 000 dollars and we'll give you 1000 Tanks", with 1000 Tanks being the
name of the tech". And if spies are involved, these "arms" could even be stolen. This would, of course, involve
lots of reworking of game.txt, but if done right, could be really cool.
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echopapa
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Iowa City IA
Feb 2000
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The easiest way to make people get unhappy at a specified time is to set up Wonders that cause happiness (like the Gardens, the Cathedrals and such) and then give the S. Koreans a tech that makes them obsolete.
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Cal
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Hermosa Beach, California, USA
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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Whatever happened to that "The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union" scenario?
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KhanMan
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Fort Worth, Texas, USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:13
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Well, the two ways I see are either using railroads and/or airports, or just "creating" the units that pop out of the tunnel, using events.
-KhanMan
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echopapa
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Iowa City IA
Feb 2000
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I've had a couple of scenarios that I've considered making, but as I'm up to my neck in work for the next few months, I'm posting the ideas here for others to adopt.
1. "Up Against The Wall, Mother****ers" - Takes place on the campus of a small university in an unspecified location. Student protests against (the Vietnam War/the WTO) turn ugly, and student radicals battle police in the streets.
-Civs include Radical Students (in dorms and apartment buildings), Moderate Students (same), University Administration (university buildings, like the student union and class buildings), and The City (buildings located off-campus)
-Map could use a variant of DarthVeda's Gangster scenario.
-Begins with unarmed Protester and Police units. After a day or two, armed Protesters appear in the crowd and attack the Police, leading to the ability for the Police to build armed units.
-Time scale set to -2, so 2 months pass every turn (with months renamed Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Wknd) and years become Weeks in a semester.
-The death of an unarmed Protester results in the Police losing money, but there is no way for the Police to tell whether a Protester is armed or not.
2. "Pax Europa" - Set in Central Europe in 1933. The supposedly peaceful European order is threatened by various states.
-Civs include the Nazis, the Little Entente (France, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania), the Protocol States (Italy, Austria, and Hungary), and possibly others, like Poland.
-Goal is for Nazis to expand their regime as far as possible before August 1939.
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Panda
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Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:13
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For the first time in ages I was able to see the effects of global warming, and decided to jot down the terrain changes (see http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum3/HTML/001516.html) as I'm quite anal like that. Remembering a speculative article about how mars might be terraformed over a period of 500 years by deliberately inducing global warming I thought of how this could be used, and remembered this thread.
Anyone remember those two FW scenarios: "Ice Planet" and "Mars"? Well you could edit the rules.txt so there was a progression of terrain types but in reverse to the normal civ2. So you'd start at grassland and work backwards to desert, except desert is the most productive. You could transform these, but the factor is set so high it would take a long time. What you would be required to do would be to deliberately induce global warming to make your terraforming of the planet quicker. This way you can also use those pollution adding techs to good effect.
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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed" - President Eisenhower
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echopapa
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Iowa City IA
Feb 2000
time: 05:13
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Another idea I've considered is that of barbarians with nukes - in this case, creating a scenario based on Europe during the Black Death.
The "nukes" would be replaced with the plague, which would descend on cities from offshore "Plague Ships" (submarines) that would be invincible. The pollution icons would be replaced with "mass graves". No global warming, of course!
The barbarian units would be created offshore at historical times, and the barbarians would have no land units, leaving an opportunity for land-based armies to exploit the sudden infection of a city (or opposing army).
The SDI could be replaced by "Personal Hygeine". Likewise, spies, instead of planting nuclear devices, could "Carry Infected Blankets".
I'm really curious as to how instant destruction would play in a medieval setting, and may create the darn scenario myself, if I have time...
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jeibel
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A Hill with Grapes on top
Jun 2000
time: 05:13
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Seems that "The Plague" is a fairly popular scenario idea then. I too had thought of one, inspired by the XVII century plague in Italy, which are wondrously depicted in one of italian literature's masterpieces, "I Promessi Sposi" ("The Bethrothed") by Alessandro Manzoni (which are BTW compulsory read in high school...  ).
Basically you would have various 99 barbarian attack unit ranging from the "untori" (disease carrier), shadowy charachters said to have been in trade with the devil (but usually scapegoats), which would be perfect substites for spies , to the fearful Landz Knecht ("Lanzichenecchi"),swiss mercenaries, the fiercest in Europe at the time, which carried the disease from the North to Italy. Throw in Hysteria-stricken mob, spanish occupiers and papal troops for added fun. (You could have regular and diseased version of most units...) 99 Attack partisans that pop out when a city is conquered would be fun to have, too...
Barbarian use 99 attack units pretty well, even if they stay on land, i tried it a while ago.
The SDI would be substituted by lazar house ("lazzaretti"), part of the city held in quarantine where corpses where held and people infected where carried to die, conforted only by some prayer or the goodwill of a nun  ...
As for pollution, just call it "infection" and use Nemo's "Bones" special resource icon... After all the plague DID de-populate the countryside, kill off the cattle, and had many crafting activity shut down (remember that pollution halves production too, an added benefit for realism)...
"Monatti" (people infected by the disease who did not die therefore developing an immunity) should be used as settler (to clean up pollution and restore damaged improvement), because they did, in reality, gather up corpses to burn them and so on (like sacking the houses of the dead ).
Example of Diseased Landz Knecht (barb unit only, but can be bribed, they're mercenaries after all)
99 A 3 D 2 M 2 Hp 2 Fp All as Road, +50% Def vs 2 mov units, Domain: Land Role: Attack
They can roam the countryside and pillage it with that last 1/3 movement point, will infect (destroy) a lot of the populace, will occupy an empty city and be quite though to crack them out of it once they do...
Hope you enjoyed it!
Farewell
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Kull
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El Paso, TX USA
Mar 1999
time: 22:13
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Nukes to represent Plague is actually not a new idea. To the best of my knowledge, Jesus Balsinde was the first to do this in his 1998 Visigoths scenario. The unit stats for "Malaria" in his Sable scenario are as follows:
Malaria, Las, 1, 40.,2, 99a,0d, 1h,1f, 16,0, 3, no, 000000000000001
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Hendrik the Great
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Good old Germany!
Oct 1999
time: 06:13
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Nukes as plagues? I know that one from a scenario made in 1997 or so. Still made with CiC. It's a scenario about the Hanseatic League.
But if you want to have diseases you could as well use factories and powerplants to cause pollution renamed diseases or something. The pollution squares would be littered with decaying corpses or represent ill citizens. Building hospitals(recycling plant or solar power plants) and hireing physicians would help make the people healthy again.
Nukes could be really bad sudden outbreaks of plagues with all that comes along it.
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29-10-2000 07:27
) as cities with a fire graphic.
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