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gunkulator
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Originally posted by JohnT
New words to the same tired argument spouted by Marx and Engles about an industrializing England back in 1848. |
And yet the problems Marx and Engles complained about still exist. Centuries of capitalism have hardly produced a worker's paradise either. Most of the benefits enjoyed by American workers today come about in spite of big business. Capitalists, as always, trumpet doom and gloom any time they don't get their way. Talk about tired old arguments.
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What they honestly didn't know then (and the modern Left dishonestly ignores today) is that such conditions are more complex and less permament than they appear. |
Kinda like our job market. For the past few quarters, we've actually experienced growth but with few added jobs. Translation: the rich get richer and continue to use their influence to keep things that way.
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Once again, this places an undue burden upon the poor of this world by denying them the opportunites enjoyed by the West during it's industrializing period. Again, is this deliberate? Is it your purpose to keep these people poor and benighted? |
Colonialism hardly ever brings prosperity. Foreign workers are exploited and kept poor for the benefit of the mother country. Eventually a colony can become free, but this is usually over the objection of capitalists and generally involves bloodshed.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:31
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Yes, and sometimes businesses have to take some of their business to overseas, because they can not afford to grow like that in their own country. They might produce something for example, and they just can't meet the demands and deliver the amount units (what ever they might be) needed. So, naturally you then go to a cheaper country, continue there and still keep your workers in the original country working. So you can grow and meet the demands.
It doesn't necessarily mean job losses.. plus, with the growth, there is profit, or at least that's what we are hoping for, possibly creating more jobs back home. Or at least make it good for the stock owners.. and when they grow, there's more tax money too.
Naturally when business grows, gets new space and workers from some other countries (cheaper, still not meaning necessarily sweat shops), there are conflicts inside the company. You have to look at the whole organisation of the business, meaning the personel and information systems as a whole. There will be conflicts with new area conquered and workers aquired..
The problem is, that we can not see how that effects the whole organisation. It's a big question mark. So, you need to sort out the conflicts, for example if you have 20 gyus doing something for the company in the US, and now with the new invests, you have 15 foreign people doing the same thing, maybe actually being a company of their own. Now the company buys that smaller company. Perhaps they offer more services and skills, extended mastering of something. NOW, there is a conflict. You need to optimize, no need to have the same task done by two different groups, even though they weren't exactly the same things but close enough to each other. Also, it's difficult to predict what happens if you keep them all.
The only natural solution is to reassign the original workers preferrably inside the company. Hopefully maybe promote few skilled ones, and make the remaning under them.. if it's possible, if there is no other ways, then you fire them. Because company needs to evolve. You need to have stable information systems happening all the time. The managment needs to have their own system, maybe getting those reports on how things are going, designing, strategies.. you need to have it working. So, you cut the extra off, if it doesn't fit to the model. Otherwise, you'll be soon having a company, that no one knows how it exactly even works, managment chaos, because of all this, one thing leads to another and soon you'll be firing them all because you're bankrupt. And the first priority is stock owners, not workers. But workers should be not treated as just components either, or pawns of the game. Real lives and families, some might depend on it.
But this goes for bigger companies usually, though the small ones need information systems too, strategies etc.. they need to meet the demands, they need to remain competitive. Overseas can mean cheaper BUT it can also mean better quality sometimes, more effectiveness etc.
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