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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Gone in the blink of an eye (as usual, you may have to sit through an advert)
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We went through all the 800-odd occupations that make up the U.S. labor market. Then we used a kind of heuristic, a rough-and-ready algorithm, to see what occupations are the most vulnerable to outsourcing. The attributes that we used are things like there is no face-to-face customer-service requirement. The job should be Internet enabled. It should have high information content. There should be a significant wage differential between the U.S. and abroad.
We narrowed it down to those occupations where already some outsourcing has either occurred or is being planned. Then we added up. What are the total number of jobs in these occupations?
That's how we have arrived at the 14 million figure. |
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You write that 25,000 to 30,000 jobs were outsourced from the U.S. to India in July of 2003. How did you come up with those numbers?
That figure was came from U.S. firms announcing the establishment of offices and facilities and centers. In India, the media gave an estimate of how many jobs were being created because of that. It doesn't mean that it created them right away.
I was there last July, and every day there were major U.S. firms saying so-and-so firm plans to open a payroll-and-accounting office in such-and-such an Indian city, which would be employing around 3,000 people or 4,000 people. Big numbers are being bandied about. |
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Caligastia
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Sounds pretty dodgy to me. Just because US companies open offices in other countries does not mean jobs are being lost in the US. That's a pretty big assumption to make.
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JohnT
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Capitalist
Mar 1999
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Originally posted by DanS
Che: One thing I don't understand about your position is that it doesn't take into account the fact that our economy has been declining in industry intensity for at least 50 years, but we're better off now than we have ever been.
Anyway, "waiting" for a job isn't a very effective employment strategy. |
His argument is based on the fact that he can find specific individuals who are not better off than they were 25, 50 years ago. It is irrelevant to the Left if one can find 3 people who benefitted for every one that didn't, the fact that not all benefitted equally is the issue here. It's arguments like these that make me realize that the Left, despite how they want to portray themselves, are the true reactionaries in this society, a ideology based upon the principle of "to each, his place."
As bizarre and totally contrary to real life sentiment as one can find, but unfortunately, all too common.
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Lord Merciless
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I don't understand this either:
Lefties whine constantly about poverty around the world. But when our business actually starts investing there to create jobs and wealth, they whine even louder.
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Lord Merciless
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Remove the barriers to hiring labor and this is what happens. It's not about specialization. The rest of the world is becoming just as educated as we are, especially India. It's about supply of labor. Remove the barriers which constrain supply, wages fall and there is unemployment. Good for the country? Absurd. |
Summarizes the hypocrisy of the lefties pretty well: Fighting world poverty - a noble goal, but without putting my job security on the line.
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gunkulator
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All this talk of "efficiency" and such masks the true evil here: subsistence/slave labor. Outsourcing is just a legalized scheme for an American company to avoid American labor laws. Work 'em 80 hrs/week, pay 'em next to nothing and continue to charge outrageous prices at home. There's no way for America to compete with this. Of course, corporate America will get theirs in the end when Indians realize that they don't need American fat cat executives at the top - they can manage their own sweat shops without us.
My fear is that instead of our economy raising up the level of the third world, we will instead be dragged back down into theirs. There are almost 1 billion Indians plus another billion Chinese, all eager to work for far less than Americans and Europeans. Our economies cannot possibly absord such a colossol workforce and maintain any decent standard of living.
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05-11-2003 21:53
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