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true. but repopulate zion and then? what happens to him?
also based to the theory i mentioned, he choose to save himslef and his "trinity" and let zion fry. is he used to repopulate zion if he chosen that? (im asking dont know)
remember persephone said she wanted to feel what she and the frenchman felt originally when she asked neo to kiss her like if she was trinity. also the awesome powers of the mergovian and I think (im not sure about this) the frenchman telling neo that he is not the only one of his kind?
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Bereta_Eder
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maybe the merogivian has a body? maybe after he is used as the one the machines can let him be a program in the matrix without a body? rememebr the choice the architect has goiven to all the ones is to save themselves and trinity IIRC
I dont remember the oracle explaining he is a program
i think the 3 matrix successfully superceded the weaknes of Neo (being all powerfull) by transporting the plot to the real world which tuned out to be more fantastic than the matrix! IMO But i agree than the 1 matrix was the one.
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The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:31
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Here it is, in fact...
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Architect: Hello Neo
Neo: Who are you?
Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question maybe the most pertinent you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo: Why am I here?
Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here.
Neo: You haven’t answered my question.
Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.
Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)
Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.
Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.
Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.
Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it, Based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated my failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, and intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle
Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion
Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
Neo: Bull
Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo: You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.
Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love.
Neo: Trinity
Architect: Apropo, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo: No
Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.
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St Leo
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Member of the Apolyton Social Democratic Party
Jul 2005
time: 00:31
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This is going in my blog tonight:
quote:
Okay, just got back from seeing Matrix Revolutions. First, some thoughts on trailers.
The Alamo - "We'll show the world what patriots are made of". Excuse me? The world? Patriots? Mexico outlaws slavery, so the [effers] in some goddessforsaken northern province betray their country -- teh slavery teh forevah -- cowardly hole up in some mission, and are promptly whooped by 3000 troops of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna ("One of the largest armies ever assembled." according to the movie). Patriots my [rear].
Troy - Ignoring for the moment the completely implausibly-sized fleet in the zoom-out, Helen did not "betray her king". Meh. The movie's basically an excuse for Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom to prance around half-naked, so whatever. I'm not going to see it anyways.
The Matrix by the Wachowski Brothers
Secularity: 6
Technophilia: 10
Tilt: 7
Average: 7.7
Zee runs around Zion with her rocket launcher fighting machines and generally kicking [rear]. What? What do you mean that wasn't the main part of the movie? Who cares? It was the good part of the movie.
Atrocious things:
-two Boromir-style deaths
-young Anakin wannabe
-Christian symbolism
First of all, characters should never eulogize themselves. When they are deaded, they should die. That's one of the reasons Kill Bill is such [an effing] amazing movie. When Anita Green gets a knife through her chest, she doesn't give a five-minute speech. Five-minute speeches insult the audience and sell the movie short.
I won't dignify the plucky Anakin-wannabe with a write-up. Well, not any more of one. Honestly.
WTF @ all the crosses at the end of the movie? I mean, seriously, the movie's not Christian in its worldview. The are three sides and none of them are Good or Evil. Okay, other Christian-wannabe stuff like Simmons' Hyperion, Herbert's Dune, and Miller's Canticle for Leibowitz aren't exactly black-and-white either, but the Matrix is practically RGB.
Of course, if they are going for Judaism 4.0, they don't need to keep the same kernel worldview, but why would they keep Judaism 2.0's imagery?
Bah. All the Oracle scenes are lame. I kinda like the Indian family, but the subway is lame. The lobby scene was done way better in the original Matrix. The S&M club scene -- yay for lesbians who dance while holding each other's nipples -- is self-parody, but I like self-parody.
The choral pieces are very nice, but the score generally is non-memorable. Oh, and I've taken far better pics of clouds than they could come up with.
Interestingly enough, Smith's monologue at the end was the first bit of philosophy I've noticed in the entire trilogy. It raises all the correct points and Neo does answer it correctly.
Love, Peace, Truth, etc. are constructs just as artificial as the Matrix. So what? Bingo.
Watch it if you've seen the other two. IMHO, Matrix Reloaded is the best movie in the trilogy, but this one's okay too.
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Sandman
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Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:31
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It seems to me that the Wachowskis were trying too hard to create an 'expanded universe' and all the merchandising opportunities that entails.
The Empire Strikes Back introduced four new main characters; Yoda, Lando, Boba Fett and the Emperor.
The Matrix Reloaded introduced thirteen new main characters; the Merovingian, Persephone, the Architect, Lock, Link, Link's girlfriend, Niobe, Counsellor Hammond, the Keymaker, the Kid and that real-world Agent Smith.
Edit- and Seraph!
Fewer characters = more character. The lesson is simple. Including too many characters will lower the quality of the films, and thus reduce the interest in the expanded universe. Just let it happen 'naturally'.
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Bereta_Eder
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You could say they wanted to expand the merchandise. But lots of the characters were essential to bring the 3rd matrix to conclusion IMO. For example Lock was necessairy to reach the architect, the frenchman necessairy to reach Lock etc etc
But I agree it seemed a bit "forced".
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mrmitchell
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I haven't seen any of them at all. So, is the overwhelming majority opinion not to watch this one? I'm going to get around to seeing the original sometime...right after filling in that 30 foot crater in the yard.
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Sandman
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Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:31
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
You could say they wanted to expand the merchandise. But lots of the characters were essential to bring the 3rd matrix to conclusion IMO. For example Lock was necessairy to reach the architect, the frenchman necessairy to reach Lock etc etc
But I agree it seemed a bit "forced". |
Ok, but even if we keep the plot basically the same, there are still plenty of unnecessary characters.
Link: he was kinda cool, but it was totally OTT to introduce us to his home and his girl. Should have stayed more of a sidekick.
Counsellor Hammond: Did not need to be developed at all. Could have stayed distant.
Seraph: He's not in the first film, even though the Oracle was. Let's face it, he was just in it to add an Asian face and another cool outfit. Was not needed.
Agent Smith's human form: He wasn't really needed. Rather than writing most of the hoverships out due to his treachery, they coulda had them at the battle for Zion instead.
The Kid: Unnecessary, had they just written the battle of Zion a bit differently.
Niobe: Also unneeded. The Freeway chase could have been written a bit differently, and it could have been Morpheus piloting the Hammer instead of her. Although I concede, that out of the new 'good' characters, she probably deserves to be left in the most. If she had been left in, she should have accompanied the main characters much more, in order to add a new dynamic to their relationship.
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Bereta_Eder
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Yep I agree most of those were not needed. Like all those tiresome long battles in 2 and 3 werent needed either. They could have used this time to forge a more solid plot (if they could).
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