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Bereta_Eder
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oh great perhaps we are twins
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Bereta_Eder
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Ok this thread is 2 minutes earlier than mine so i think it can stay and the other can be closed.
here is what I've written in the other
OK. We have seen it
Now questions: I've read somewhere a theory (before the film came out) that Zion itself and the "real" world was just a second level matrix. That it wasn't real either. Anyway, too long to explain but the point is that that theory was proven wrong.
Now.
What went "differently" and brought up this change in the succession of the one? Why this Zion (the 6th?) and this Neo altered the course of what was programmed to be created and eliminated.
Obviously there is just one answer and that is: Agent smith. The virus. This was an aunstable parameter that obviously didn't exist at the previous successions of "Zion" and the "One".
So in logical advancement the one precise instant which altered the course of "tolerated and programmed" creation of "ones" and "zions" was the moment Neo entered the body of agent smith at Matrix 1.
Thus smith copied/absorbed elements from Neo such as the "expansion" procedure of the human species (he said so himself). And then acted upon it.
Discuss! (generally not only on this)
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Bereta_Eder
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yep, and they also gave a pledge to free from the matrix all those who wanted to get freed?!?! this is a bit too much I think.
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Bereta_Eder
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that's another question (for example you'd have to re program the lives of all those associated with those who will chose to leave etc)
but also this is a great giveaway to the humans. and the machines gave that away in the precise moment when they had everything they wanted and they were all powerful. and the program could reboot exactly as they have done so far - doesnt really click.
the only possible explanation is for the machines to realize (after the agent smith incident (!) that they would rather voluntarily excile all the malcontents as a way (if this can be it) to not have to restart the "one" and the "zion" program. the malconents will simply be excused. but still why? not to mention the loss of all those batteries 
also not to mention the oracle's "warning": "peace for as long as it lasts" not what the machines would want to risk perhaps
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 06-11-2003 at 04:59
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Sandman
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Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:31
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It just didn't grab me. It's telling that the character that I hooked onto most was that cardboard cutout robot commander guy, whilst the other characters were just plain empty. The spectacle was engaging, but the substance wasn't there.
A LOT of the characters were simply skipped over. The Merovingian and Persephone; who were they? Why were they in the Matrix? Did the Merovingian serve any purpose other than be a 'spare' bad guy? What happened to them? Where were the exceedingly cool Twins from Reloaded? How did Seriph, Trinity and Morpheus get away from him? What happened to the Merovingian when Agent Smith took over the Matrix?
Morpheus hardly played any role in the film. Wasn't he in the least bit concerned about Trinity, his protoge and friend? Still, at least he wasn't hamming it up as usual. And what about the love triangle between him, Niobe and Lock? Why did they spend so much exposition on that when, in the end, it wasn't resolved?
Trinity. She died. In a bumpy landing. Why? It made Neo saving her at the end of Reloaded pointless, and it was a pathetic end for her character. Half the film is a bumpy landing, for God's sake. I had always liked her character, but I just didn't care when she died. Perhaps it was because neither Neo nor her seemed to give a damn that she was dying; at odds with her character; she was always a fighter, desperate to survive.
God, I could go on and on. But I'll stop here, for now.
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Bereta_Eder
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well ok trinity could have died a thousand times before, now she actually did. vivere pericolozamente and all that.
according to a theory frenchmen was a previous neo. who was offered a getaway after the desrtuction of zion since he chose for him and trinity (persephone) to live.
the ghosts were programs gone bad.
how they escaped the mergovian can be seen as: if you dont take us out of here we kill you.
these are just answers on top of my head, so take them for what's worth
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
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time: 05:31
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I wish the Merovingian had been better explained.
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Bereta_Eder
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If you listen to what Persephone says in the 2nd Matrix, it comes forth that The Mergovian (I always mess up the spelling) and Persephone were VERY similar to Neo and Trinity. That in combination with the Architectes speech which has not been proven false about several "ones" in previous versions of the Matrix can make you think the the frenchman was a previous nEo which, has chosen the path to save trinity (persephone) (and exist into the next instalment of the matrix program) and himself and doom zion.
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06-11-2003 04:15
I read a comment from a matrix fan in today's newspaper saying that this movie raises some philosophical questions... 
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