06-11-2003 09:08									#1
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Ya tenemos contacto con Tabemono!!!

En el siguiente post esta el chat que tuve con ellos anoche. Acordamos lo siguiente:

Les vamos a dar Iron Working (6) a cambio de Matematicas (8). Les vamos a "deber" 2 puntos de tech para acuerdos futuros. Piden un lapso de 20 turnos de no-intercambio.

Tambien les plantee que si estan interesados en Poly + HBR. Me dijeron que si pero es necesario conversar con los otros 3 equipos para no repetir techs. Estamos planeando un "mega-chat" continental. Ya les dare los detalles.

	06-11-2003 09:09									#2
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chat:

quote: Session Start: Wed Nov 05 21:25:00 2003 Session Ident: #feast [21:25] * Now talking in #feast [21:25] [MasterZen] hey [21:25] [Kloreep] Hi [21:25] [Sharpe] Hi! [21:25] [ZargonX] welcome to the table! [21:25] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [21:25] [Rhothaerill] Hi. [21:25] [Rhothaerill] We're ganging up on you. :P [21:25] [MasterZen] and this party is for?... [21:25] [ZargonX] you! [21:25] * Aggiemowa has joined #feast [21:25] [Sharpe] We're so happy to meet Latin Lover [21:25] [Kloreep] Contact between Tabemono and LL [21:25] [MasterZen] ooooooh [21:25] * MasterZen sets mode: +o Aggiemowa [21:26] [MasterZen] food and women, what a great combo [21:26] [ZargonX] yeah, if we could just find a music-team, we'd be set [21:26] [Kloreep] Hehe, I was just thinking the same thing [21:26] [Rhothaerill] [21:26] [MasterZen] interesting, where did you find us, one of our wandering warriors? [21:26] [Sharpe] unfortunately the only team that might qualify is Monty Python [21:26] [Kloreep] We made contact with The Slayer [21:26] [ZargonX] We encoutnered The Slayer [21:26] [ZargonX] dp [21:26] [Sharpe] re singing [21:27] [MasterZen] and I have no clue who he is since I haven't opened the save in quite some time... hehe [21:27] [ZargonX] Do you have an official "contact" person? [21:27] [MasterZen] yes. Me [21:28] [ZargonX] excellent [21:28] [Rhothaerill] That makes it easy. [21:28] [MasterZen] I don't do the save but I do the diplomacy [21:28] [MasterZen] (as usual) [21:28] [Kloreep] Reg warrior is all I can tell you. But I'm sure if you described your empire, we could tell you where he is [21:28] [Rhothaerill] Uh oh. [21:28] [MasterZen] :P [21:28] [Rhothaerill] [21:28] [Aggiemowa] hi there mz [21:28] [MasterZen] yo Aggs [21:28] [ZargonX] First off, we will of course respect your borders, just to let you know [21:28] [Sharpe] which we do see ATM [21:29] [Sharpe] or at least a tiny sliver of the border [21:29] [Kloreep] Yes, Slayer is E of our unit, and we can see your border E-E of our unit [21:29] [MasterZen] ok [21:29] [MasterZen] so, wanna tech deal? [21:29] [Kloreep] Sure [21:30] [ZargonX] does anyone ever NOT want to [21:30] [MasterZen] I wish I knew if there's any tech we have that you didn't [21:30] [Rhothaerill] I don't...oh wait. [21:30] [Sharpe] hmm, I do frequently in SP... [21:30] [MasterZen] do you have HBR? [21:30] [Kloreep] We don't have anything you don't [21:30] [Kloreep] We'll have Math next turn, though [21:30] [MasterZen] ah we don't have math [21:30] [ZargonX] Yes, soon we will be able to actually count calories [21:30] [Kloreep] Do you guys have IW? [21:30] [MasterZen] yes [21:31] [MasterZen] we are currently doing Poly, we can trade that for some stuff, do you guys have HBR? [21:31] [Kloreep] Nope [21:31] [MasterZen] Poly + HBR for future deals? sounds good? [21:32] [Kloreep] How about Math for IW now? [21:32] [Kloreep] We don't have IW yet [21:32] [MasterZen] sure sounds good [21:32] [Kloreep] There's a 2 tech point difference there, but I'm sure we can agree you'll simply make up the difference in later trades [21:32] [MasterZen] how much is Math and IW? I forget... [21:33] [Rhothaerill] 8 and 6 respectively [21:33] [MasterZen] ok, Poly is 12 and HBR is 5 [21:34] [Sharpe] we haven't decided what we are doing next to be honest [21:34] [Kloreep] So we need 15 more tech points after writing [21:34] [MasterZen] I assume you have contact with the other 2 civs on the con tinent [21:35] [Kloreep] *after math [21:35] [Kloreep] Yep, we do [21:36] [Kloreep] So you've contacted MAST at last then? [21:36] [MasterZen] have you tried coordinating techs with the others? we've more or less tried so no-one repeats techs [21:36] [MasterZen] yes, we got them about 3 turns ago [21:36] [Kloreep] Cool, we could try 4-way tech coordination [21:36] [Kloreep] Yep, we've tried to research different paths [21:36] [Rhothaerill] Blow the other continent out of the water [21:37] [ZargonX] [21:37] [Rhothaerill] Tech wise [21:37] [Sharpe] good idea especially as the scores for the other continent are ahead of nearly all of us [21:39] [MasterZen] we're trying to forge a deal with MAST, trying to get them to do CoL and Philo and we do Republic. Perhaps you guys can do the top path of techs (Currency, Construction) [21:39] [MasterZen] then everybody trades everything to everybody else :P [21:40] [Kloreep] We're considering the Rep path too [21:40] [Kloreep] Where are you getting Writing from? [21:42] [MasterZen] sunshine [21:42] * Nimitz|Voteforme has joined #feast [21:42] * MasterZen sets mode: +o Nimitz|Voteforme [21:42] [MasterZen] hello [21:42] [Nimitz|Voteforme] there [21:42] [Kloreep] Hi Nimitz [21:42] [Nimitz|Voteforme] hey [21:43] [Kloreep] Also, re: the Math for IW deal, we'd like a No-Trade Agreement [21:43] [MasterZen] sure t hing [21:43] [Kloreep] [21:44] [Kloreep] We're trying to work out a deal with Sunshine for Writing [21:45] [MasterZen] ok, off the bat then we agree to IW for Math [21:45] [MasterZen] we owe you 2 tech points [21:45] [Kloreep] NTA of, say, 20 turns? [21:45] [MasterZen] we offer you Poly and HBR, you can discuss what deal is best for those [21:45] [MasterZen] sure [21:45] [Kloreep] Okay [21:45] [ZargonX] sounds good! [21:46] [Sharpe] I wonder if the 4 of us should have a megachat to sort out who researches what? [21:46] [Kloreep] Re: poly and HBR, that might be a little while [21:46] [Kloreep] We're still trying to figure out what to research next; CoL is one idea [21:46] [MasterZen] well we already have HBR [21:46] [Kloreep] Good idea Sharpe [21:46] [MasterZen] you guys should coordinate with MAST [21:46] [Kloreep] And Sunshine [21:46] [Kloreep] They might be going for Rep too [21:47] [Kloreep] And only two can do the prereq techs [21:47] [Kloreep] Someone needs to go for Currency or Construction [21:49] [MasterZen] well, we're already tied up for Poly for the next ~20 turns (probably less when we get new cities) [21:51] * Nimitz|Voteforme is now known as Nimitz|FiveDaysTillC3C [21:51] [Kloreep] Ouch [21:54] * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|away [21:54] [Kloreep] Would you like to trade GNP figures? [21:55] [Kloreep] See what our relative research power is [21:55] [MasterZen] if I had PTW here yes :P [21:55] [MasterZen] but alas I don't [21:55] [MasterZen] any of you have C3C already? [21:55] [Kloreep] Not me [21:55] [Kloreep] I think Zargon does [21:55] [Rhothaerill] Still in transit [21:55] [Aggiemowa] waiting for it [21:55] [MasterZen] Zargon you there? [21:55] [Aggiemowa] cheap on me got the free take forever shipping [21:55] [Kloreep] * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|away [21:55] [Kloreep] [21:55] [Sharpe] probably getting it this Saturday [21:56] [Nimitz|FiveDaysTillC3C] still waiting [21:56] [Kloreep] I'm going to be away for 5 days anyway, so there wouldn't have been much point in getting it now [21:57] [Rhothaerill] I'm away for roughly the next ten days so no point for me either. [21:58] [MasterZen] I'm "away" at the moment [21:58] [Kloreep] So, we've agreed: Math for IW, LL will owe Tabemono 2 tech points, NTA on the techs for 20 turns [21:58] [MasterZen] yes [21:59] [Kloreep] [21:59] [Kloreep] If you'll put IW on the table this turn, we'll have Math next turn [21:59] [MasterZen] ok, don't remember if we played the save though [22:00] [Kloreep] Tabemono just sent it to MAST [22:00] [Sharpe] actually we just had the save now - just sent it to MAST [22:00] [Kloreep] So it'll be coming around to You Guys [22:00] [MasterZen] ok [22:04] [Sharpe] We should try to arrange for a 4 way chat sometime between the teams if we are agreeable to work together [22:06] [MasterZen] I agree

	06-11-2003 17:47									#3
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quote: [21:59] [Kloreep] If you'll put IW on the table this turn, we'll have Math next turn [21:59] [MasterZen] ok, don't remember if we played the save though [22:00] [Kloreep] Tabemono just sent it to MAST [22:00] [Sharpe] actually we just had the save now - just sent it to MAST

Si tienen Math en el próximo turno entonces cuando le llegue nuestra oferta de IW tendran que descatarla y hacer una nueva oferta con Math.
Seria estupendo que se encargasen de la parte alta del arbol de investigación, si hacemos el pacto de no intercambio en 20 turnos seguramente solo ellos y nosotros podremos tirar por allí. Opcionalmente quizás podrian hacer filosofia o CoL e intercambiarsela a MAST para que MAST pueda cumplir su pacto con nosotros más rapidamente (quizás demasiado rápidamente, preferiria la primera opción)
En fin, va a haber que hacer encaje de bolillos, si hay ese chat intercontinental la cuestión principal deberia ser: ¿Quien va a por la república?¿que le dan las otras civs a cambio?
Creo que por nuestra manera de expandirnos, con ciudades de poco tamaño no apegotonadas pero muy aprovechables todas ellas, cuanto antes tengamos República mejor, creo que le sacaremos mayor provecho que otros equipos

	06-11-2003 19:52									#4
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Esto es muy interesante, gracias por darte este tiempo MZ .

Y ese chat tambien es muy interesante, lo que podriamos hacer ese dia es que cada equipo tenga su sala de chat y haya otra donde estan los embajadores (bla bla) de cada equipo. Asi, en las salas de cada equipo se discute que hacer conforme lo que digan los representantes de cada equipo. Asi se´ra mas ordenado y muchos de nosotros no tendremos que preocuparnos por el tedioso ingles

	01-12-2003 09:45									#5
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otro chat con Tabemono, postee el resumen en el thread del ministerio de rel. ext.

quote: Session Start: Sun Nov 30 14:53:19 2003 Session Ident: #party [14:53] * Now talking in #party [14:53] [Kloreep] Hi [14:53] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [14:53] [Sharpe] was wondering if you were typing in morse code in the ISDG chatroom MZ [14:54] [MasterZen] .. ...... . .. [14:55] [MasterZen] so, what's up with our Tabemono friends? [14:56] [Kloreep] Not a whole lot, research and expand [14:56] [Sharpe] Just thought we should touch base with LL and see how things are going too [14:57] [Sharpe] Having fun with barbs of course [14:58] [MasterZen] well, nothing pretty exciting on our part [14:59] [Sharpe] LL still working on Polytheism? [15:00] [MasterZen] yep [15:00] [Sharpe] Doing currency here [15:01] [Sharpe] love how both of us are getting stuck with the expensive techs [15:01] [MasterZen] yeah :S [15:01] [MasterZen] oh well, getting the techs no-one likes to research has its benefits (trade) [15:02] [Sharpe] yeah [15:03] [Sharpe] how are things with the other two civs? [15:04] [Sharpe] any problems with either of them? [15:05] [MasterZen] no, haven't heard anything from Sunshine in quite some time [15:05] [MasterZen] we had a little incident with MAST because of an accidental move from one of thier Jags but no biggie [15:06] [Sharpe] yeah, still must be nice to have that chokepoint city up so they can't head into your area... [15:08] [Sharpe] any idea how long until you finish polytheism? [15:08] [MasterZen] hmm, haven't checked the save, probably less than 10 turns IIRC [15:08] [MasterZen] but don't take my word for it [15:08] [Sharpe] ok I won't [15:09] [MasterZen] :P [15:09] [Sharpe] we should be done currency shortly after that I think , not sure though [15:11] [Kloreep] Yes, we're around 10 turns IIRC [15:14] [Sharpe] we were thinking about inquiring about a polytheism for currency trade, but we weren't too sure how long it was going to take you to finish it and what we could use to even the trade out [15:15] [MasterZen] what are the tech costs for each? [15:15] [Sharpe] currency is 16 I think, checking on poly [15:15] [Rhothaerill] 12. [15:15] [Sharpe] yep , Currency is 16, poly is 12 [15:18] [Kloreep] Maybe LL could trade us HBR + poly for Currency? [15:18] [Sharpe] from our earlier trade we did IW (6) plus 2 IOUs for Math (8) [15:18] [Kloreep] Yep, so this would use an IOU [15:19] [Sharpe] we could make it HBR plus poly for Currency + 1 IOU (reducing it to 1 IOU left) [15:19] [MasterZen] hmm, sounds good [15:20] [MasterZen] I will post it in our forum, I don't see any possible objections [15:20] [Sharpe] any idea yet what you guys are going for next yet? [15:20] [Kloreep] Also maybe include a NTA with that [15:20] [Kloreep] We'll need to discuss this in our forum as well [15:20] [MasterZen] after poly probably philo or CoL [15:22] [Sharpe] ah, k, but you have writing? [15:23] [MasterZen] we will get that soon [15:24] [Sharpe] ah ok [15:25] [Sharpe] we aren't sure what we are doing after currency [15:27] [MasterZen] we will tell you what we do so you don't start on it [15:27] [Sharpe] k, that would be good [15:36] [Sharpe] anything else to chat about? [15:36] [MasterZen] hmm, not really [15:36] [Sharpe] like how the heck we ended up with so much jungle on this continent - ugggh [15:36] [Sharpe] [15:37] [MasterZen] hehehe [15:38] [Sharpe] kinda makes it not worth much to expand beyond your chokepoint eh? [15:38] [MasterZen] yeah, the incentives just aren't there [15:38] [Sharpe] jungle jungle and ... more jungle [15:39] [Sharpe] you see where the other 2 civs are yet? [15:40] [Sharpe] other 3 if you include us that is ... [15:41] [MasterZen] yeah, we know where Sunshine and Mast are [15:42] [Sharpe] yeah I think we found MAST around the same time as you , saw your unit nearby [15:45] [Sharpe] well we will let you know the vote on the trade - I don't forsee any problems with acceptance either [15:45] [MasterZen] cool [15:46] [Sharpe] if passed, can you give us a shout when you are 2 turns away from poly, we will do the same with currency [15:46] [Sharpe] shout = pm of course [15:48] [MasterZen] sure thing [15:55] * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|away [15:56] [Sharpe] guess that means the chat is over [15:56] [Sharpe] re Kloreep vamoosing... [15:56] [MasterZen] hehehe [15:56] [MasterZen] yeah, I'm going to post this right away [15:56] [MasterZen] nice talking to you guys, here's to a future full of food and women [15:56] [Sharpe] k, we just did and will post a trade poll [15:57] [MasterZen] great [15:57] [Sharpe] hmm, nice combo food and women [15:57] [MasterZen] yeah, what more could one need in life? [15:57] [MasterZen] (money) [15:57] [Sharpe] hmm, don't have a team that concentrates on that I think [15:58] [Rhothaerill] Hey MZ, quick question, could you authorize Civgeneral for the American Imperialists team? We have a sudden influx the past few days. [15:58] [MasterZen] ok [15:59] [Sharpe] I find it ironic that the C3C game is starting exactly 1 year after PTWDG1 did [15:59] [Sharpe] oops, sorry - PTWDG 1 started on Dec 1 2002 [16:00] [Sharpe] but very close anyhow [16:04] * Rhothaerill is now known as Rhoth|Away [16:04] [Sharpe] btw, has LL thought about a way to offset the trading bonus that Sunshine will get from their free middle age tech? [16:07] [MasterZen] hmm, good poitn [16:08] [MasterZen] maybe us, MAST and you can agree on splitting the initial Middle age techs [16:09] [Sharpe] or "suggest" that Sunshine go for Literature then trade that plus their free tech while the 3 of us go for the more expensive ancient techs [16:09] [Sharpe] like Construction Republic and Monarchy [16:10] [Sharpe] hmm, though that would automatically force all of us to give Sunshine something to balance out the trades... [16:12] [MasterZen] yeah, sunshine would win out tremedously [16:12] [Sharpe] something to think about I guess - not sure how fast each of us research tech - which is a major consideration [16:13] [MasterZen] one we near the middle age we should compare tech power [16:13] [MasterZen] and each of us go for the tech which is most appropriate [16:13] [Sharpe] hmm, yeah [16:14] [Sharpe] middle age is coming up fast too [16:14] [Sharpe] and with it the barb surge [16:15] [MasterZen] ouch [16:16] [Sharpe] I think only Construction, Philo and CoL will be left after both our teams complete our current research? [16:17] [MasterZen] Lit? MM? [16:17] [Sharpe] Lit isn't required I think [16:17] [MasterZen] MM is [16:17] [Sharpe] true [16:18] [Sharpe] but Sunshine and MAST are doing research too of course [16:18] [Sharpe] silly statement of course [16:18] [MasterZen] yep [16:19] [Sharpe] they are probably working on some of those I bet [16:20] [MasterZen] probably Lit [16:20] [MasterZen] they get cheap temples after all [16:20] [MasterZen] *libraries [16:20] [Sharpe] would make sense but not sure to be honest what Sunshine is doing [16:22] [Sharpe] MAST has the cheap temples IIRC [16:24] [MasterZen] *cheap libraries [16:24] [Sharpe] yeah, Sunshine's scientific trait [16:25] [Sharpe] they are the only ones while Tabemono is the only industrious IIRC [16:26] [Sharpe] I always get confused which "civs" each of us is with the team name changes [16:27] [Sharpe] well gtg here , nice chatting as always [16:27] [MasterZen] ok, cya [16:28] * Sharpe is now known as Sharpe-away [16:45] * Sharpe-away has left #party [16:53] * Disconnected Session Close: Sun Nov 30 16:53:49 2003

	01-12-2003 19:31									#6
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estupendo, con esto solo les deberiamos un punto en la investigación

	21-12-2003 21:30									#7
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MZ, ¿podrias preguntar a Tabemono si quieren algo por Mapmaking? a ver si se los arrebatamos a Sunshine

	14-01-2004 00:07									#8
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chat con Sharpe de Tabemono:

quote: Session Start: Sun Jan 11 21:18:29 2004 Session Ident: Sharpe [21:18] [MasterZen] hey Sharpe, we are doing Construction [21:18] [MasterZen] PTWDG II [21:24] [MasterZen] btw, we can trade maps if you want to [21:28] [Sharpe] sorry was afk there [21:28] [Sharpe] hmm, maps sounds intriguing, I can bring it up in the forum [21:28] [MasterZen] sure [21:29] [Sharpe] hmm, if you and another get Construction, it is likely that the Middle Age Barb Explosion will happen won't it? [21:30] [MasterZen] yes [21:30] [MasterZen] we can give you guys warning various turns before we get it just in case [21:30] [Sharpe] that should be fun with all these mountains and jungles [21:31] [Sharpe] yeah, they would be greatly appreciated [21:31] [Sharpe] that would be greatly appreciated re: warning [21:31] [MasterZen] ok [21:31] [Sharpe] not sure what we are doing, running out of techs to do in ancient age here [21:32] [MasterZen] maybe you guys can hoard gold and then run a deficit with the first med tech [21:32] [Sharpe] hmm, that might be an idea [21:32] [Sharpe] if you don't mind me asking, what's your view on the situation in the game so far? [21:33] [Sharpe] the other continent seems to be doing well it seems [21:34] [MasterZen] no, not at all, well it seems we all get along pretty well, I have not yet sensed any frictions or anything of the sort. Perhaps I'm a little wary of Sunshine possibly getting Feudalism for free with the era change but other than that no big problems. And of course I have no clue what is going on in the other continent [21:34] [MasterZen] *no, not at all = mind you asking [21:34] [Sharpe] yeah, seems good on our side so far [21:34] [Sharpe] looks as though Cake or Death moved capitals though [21:35] [Sharpe] and Monkey's score is rather flat the past 20 or so turns [21:37] [Sharpe] yeah, Sunshine will get a tech for free with the new age - may not be feudalism perhaps though ... [21:37] [MasterZen] let's hope not [21:37] [Sharpe] yeah, that is the strongest tech of the first 3 [21:37] [Sharpe] though pikes are useless to them [21:38] [Sharpe] the Latin team seems to be doing very well in the game so far, congrats on that btw [21:38] [MasterZen] but getting med infs even a few turns before anyone else offers a small but advantageous window of oportunity [21:38] [MasterZen] thanks [21:39] [MasterZen] I am very pleasantly surprised at how good we've been doing, I really don't do much on the team other than diplomacy which makes it all the more meritious for them [21:42] [Sharpe] I have to admit that it appears that MAST and Sunshine aren't doing as well - although Sunshine is doing very well as far as tech is concerned [21:43] [MasterZen] maybe their land isn't good. Well, ours isn't spectacular but its decent I guess [21:43] [Sharpe] unless the powergraph is lying that is (good chance of that actually ) [21:43] [Sharpe] yeah, same with us , decent but with a fair amount of problem areas Session Close: Sun Jan 11 22:28:22 2004

	15-01-2004 11:01									#9
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Whoops - no mire esto antes de que mande este PM a Togas

(Como hacen los accentes en un post?)

quote: Hello, amigos! I have recently become a little more active in the LL team, and some seem eager for me to help MZ in the Foreign Affairs department, seeing as I speak English pretty well and I can understand (most of) everything that is discussed in the team forum too. Plus I KNOW you and many on the other teams. So, I'd like to start my diplomatic career by throwing out a feeler about tech trading. From our records I see that we have already had a succesful trade so far: We gave you HBR and Poly for the Currency. Or is this still pending? What would you guys think about a potential trade for Construction, which is our target? Or if not, what could we possibly do to organise another trade? We are always open to options here. :0 We are also continuing to discuss the proposal you sent around not long ago re the FARE Pact. Members come in and give their opinions in dribs and drabs, as I am sure they do for every team, so I will let you know when I have something further to say. Until then, let us all eat, drink and chercher les femmes miran las chicas! WIA.

Espero que no cree unos problemas...

	15-01-2004 13:10									#10
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	21-01-2004 22:44									#11
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chat con Sharpe y Kloreep hace unos dias (no pude postear por mis problemillas)

quote: Start of #feast buffer: Mon Jan 19 20:46:09 2004 [19:13] * Now talking in #feast [19:14] [MasterZen] so, what's on the menu? [19:14] [Kloreep] Hi [19:14] [Sharpe] Hi [19:14] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [19:14] [Kloreep] opping is the first course [19:15] [Sharpe] You had mentioned about how you are doing construction [19:15] [Sharpe] as your current research project [19:15] [MasterZen] yes [19:16] [Sharpe] We are wondering if we can possibly work out a trade for it - or at least see what you would want for it [19:17] [Sharpe] We have Literature done now [19:17] [MasterZen] do you know the costs for each? [19:18] [Sharpe] Lit is 10 tech points, Construction is 20 IIRC [19:18] [Sharpe] admittedly not exactly close in terms of tech points [19:19] [MasterZen] hmmm, if I am not mistaken we only need Const. and Lit to pass to the next era [19:20] [Kloreep] I don't think Lit is required for era advancement [19:20] [MasterZen] I think you are right [19:21] [Sharpe] neither of the government techs are needed to advance too [19:21] [MasterZen] how much is Chivalry? [19:22] [Sharpe] let me check [19:22] [Sharpe] Chivalry is 32 tech points [19:22] [Sharpe] on this sort of map of course [19:23] [Sharpe] Feudalism is 32 as well and Engineering is 36 [19:23] [MasterZen] damn, the only thing I see which can compensate is $$ [19:24] [Sharpe] hmm, gold plus perhaps some IOUs perhaps [19:25] [Sharpe] question would be how much [19:25] [MasterZen] perhaps we can work on a 32 cost tech, you guys do Engineering, that would make you owe us only 6 tech points [19:25] [Sharpe] LL still owes us 1 tech point IIRC right? [19:25] [MasterZen] which can be compensated with $$ or another IOU [19:25] [MasterZen] I don't remember but I believe so [19:26] [MasterZen] make that 5 then [19:26] [Sharpe] it would sound like a possibility [19:28] [Sharpe] just going to check for certain re that 1 tech point [19:29] * Kloreep has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (Nick kill enforced))) [19:29] [Sharpe] yeah , the Currency trade reduced the IOU to us from 2 tech points down to 1 left [19:30] -apolyton.net:@#feast- Sharpe invited Kloreep into channel #feast. [19:30] * Kloreep has joined #feast [19:30] [Sharpe] just confirmed that there is still 1 tech point owing to Tabemono btw [19:30] [Kloreep] k [19:30] * Sharpe sets mode: +o Kloreep [19:32] [Sharpe] hmm, the 3 initial techs in the middle ages are Monotheism (36 pts) , Feudalism (32 pts) and Engineering (36 pts) [19:38] [Sharpe] sorry Kloreep and I just chatting and figuring things out [19:40] [MasterZen] well, I shall post this idea in our forum, sounds good IMO, let's see what they think [19:41] [Sharpe] would you want gold instead of IOUs or a combination of IOUs and gold? [19:41] [Sharpe] or only IOUs? [19:41] [MasterZen] we'll have to debate that [19:41] [Sharpe] yeah [19:43] [Sharpe] usually it is 15-20 gold per tech point right? [19:44] [Sharpe] at least in our trades so far it has been that way [19:44] [MasterZen] I'll have to check the equations but IIRC it's something along those lines [19:46] [Sharpe] k [19:48] [Sharpe] brb [19:50] * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|XCOM [19:52] [Sharpe] hmm, we can really say that Kloreep has been taking over by aliens... [19:52] [Sharpe] taken over [19:53] [Sharpe] by playing XCOM [19:53] [Sharpe] will post this idea in our forum too [19:55] [MasterZen] lol [19:56] [MasterZen] he shall be assimilated [19:56] [Sharpe] lol [19:57] [Sharpe] anything LL wants to talk about with Tabemono ? [20:00] [MasterZen] I guess that would be all [20:00] [Sharpe] k [20:00] [Sharpe] nice chatting as always then - and don't forget to pick up dessert when you leave the room - compliments of Tabemono [20:05] [MasterZen] lol [20:05] [MasterZen] as long as it's not cheesecake... [20:05] [Sharpe] nope usually pie [20:06] [Sharpe] but then again it is a virtual dessert, so technically it can be whatever you wanted it to be [20:06] [MasterZen] ah great [20:06] [MasterZen] I'll take soft-baked cookies then [20:09] [Sharpe] anyway off to gaming myself here - Diablo 2 instead of XCOM though [20:09] * Sharpe has left #feast End of #feast buffer Mon Jan 19 20:46:09 2004

	22-01-2004 12:36									#12
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y un breve resumen en una lengua que sea derivada del latín, por favor

(algunas cosillas no las he pillado)

	23-01-2004 19:50									#13
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El intercambio propuesto es nuestro Construccion (20 ptas) y Caballeria o Feudalismo (cada 32 ptas) (WIA aprende nuevas palabras cada dia aqui... ) por su Alfabetizacion (10 ptas), Ingenieria (36 ptas), la unica punta que los debemos y alguna compensation monetaria (5 ptas deficit).

Bastante bien?

Ah - una cosa mas - MZ gano un postre en salir del chat.

	23-01-2004 20:49									#14
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Suena fenomenal Que sea feudalismo (de momento no tenemos caballos)

Ahora habria que convencer a MAST para que vaya a por monoteismo

	26-01-2004 12:58									#15
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firma eso ya mismo

	10-02-2004 11:53									#16
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chat con Tabemono hoy:

quote: Session Start: Mon Jan 19 19:13:55 2004 Session Ident: #feast [19:13] * Now talking in #feast [19:14] [MasterZen] so, what's on the menu? [19:14] [Kloreep] Hi [19:14] [Sharpe] Hi [19:14] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [19:14] [Kloreep] opping is the first course [19:15] [Sharpe] You had mentioned about how you are doing construction [19:15] [Sharpe] as your current research project [19:15] [MasterZen] yes [19:16] [Sharpe] We are wondering if we can possibly work out a trade for it - or at least see what you would want for it [19:17] [Sharpe] We have Literature done now [19:17] [MasterZen] do you know the costs for each? [19:18] [Sharpe] Lit is 10 tech points, Construction is 20 IIRC [19:18] [Sharpe] admittedly not exactly close in terms of tech points [19:19] [MasterZen] hmmm, if I am not mistaken we only need Const. and Lit to pass to the next era [19:20] [Kloreep] I don't think Lit is required for era advancement [19:20] [MasterZen] I think you are right [19:21] [Sharpe] neither of the government techs are needed to advance too [19:21] [MasterZen] how much is Chivalry? [19:22] [Sharpe] let me check [19:22] [Sharpe] Chivalry is 32 tech points [19:22] [Sharpe] on this sort of map of course [19:23] [Sharpe] Feudalism is 32 as well and Engineering is 36 [19:23] [MasterZen] damn, the only thing I see which can compensate is $$ [19:24] [Sharpe] hmm, gold plus perhaps some IOUs perhaps [19:25] [Sharpe] question would be how much [19:25] [MasterZen] perhaps we can work on a 32 cost tech, you guys do Engineering, that would make you owe us only 6 tech points [19:25] [Sharpe] LL still owes us 1 tech point IIRC right? [19:25] [MasterZen] which can be compensated with $$ or another IOU [19:25] [MasterZen] I don't remember but I believe so [19:26] [MasterZen] make that 5 then [19:26] [Sharpe] it would sound like a possibility [19:28] [Sharpe] just going to check for certain re that 1 tech point [19:29] * Kloreep has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (Nick kill enforced))) [19:29] [Sharpe] yeah , the Currency trade reduced the IOU to us from 2 tech points down to 1 left [19:30] -apolyton.net:@#feast- Sharpe invited Kloreep into channel #feast. [19:30] * Kloreep has joined #feast [19:30] [Sharpe] just confirmed that there is still 1 tech point owing to Tabemono btw [19:30] [Kloreep] k [19:30] * Sharpe sets mode: +o Kloreep [19:32] [Sharpe] hmm, the 3 initial techs in the middle ages are Monotheism (36 pts) , Feudalism (32 pts) and Engineering (36 pts) [19:38] [Sharpe] sorry Kloreep and I just chatting and figuring things out [19:40] [MasterZen] well, I shall post this idea in our forum, sounds good IMO, let's see what they think [19:41] [Sharpe] would you want gold instead of IOUs or a combination of IOUs and gold? [19:41] [Sharpe] or only IOUs? [19:41] [MasterZen] we'll have to debate that [19:41] [Sharpe] yeah [19:43] [Sharpe] usually it is 15-20 gold per tech point right? [19:44] [Sharpe] at least in our trades so far it has been that way [19:44] [MasterZen] I'll have to check the equations but IIRC it's something along those lines [19:46] [Sharpe] k [19:48] [Sharpe] brb [19:50] * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|XCOM [19:52] [Sharpe] hmm, we can really say that Kloreep has been taking over by aliens... [19:52] [Sharpe] taken over [19:53] [Sharpe] by playing XCOM [19:53] [Sharpe] will post this idea in our forum too [19:55] [MasterZen] lol [19:56] [MasterZen] he shall be assimilated [19:56] [Sharpe] lol [19:57] [Sharpe] anything LL wants to talk about with Tabemono ? [20:00] [MasterZen] I guess that would be all [20:00] [Sharpe] k [20:00] [Sharpe] nice chatting as always then - and don't forget to pick up dessert when you leave the room - compliments of Tabemono [20:05] [MasterZen] lol [20:05] [MasterZen] as long as it's not cheesecake... [20:05] [Sharpe] nope usually pie [20:06] [Sharpe] but then again it is a virtual dessert, so technically it can be whatever you wanted it to be [20:06] [MasterZen] ah great [20:06] [MasterZen] I'll take soft-baked cookies then [20:09] [Sharpe] anyway off to gaming myself here - Diablo 2 instead of XCOM though [20:09] * Sharpe has left #feast [21:17] * MasterZen is now known as MZ[Royally_Pissed_Off] [21:32] [Kloreep|XCOM] You don't like cheesecake???? [21:32] [Kloreep|XCOM] Heathen! [21:38] * MZ[Royally_Pissed_Off] is now known as MasterZen [22:16] * Kloreep|XCOM is now known as Kloreep [22:37] * Disconnected Session Close: Mon Jan 19 22:37:06 2004 Session Start: Mon Feb 09 16:36:14 2004 Session Ident: #feast [16:36] * Now talking in #feast [16:36] [MasterZen] yo [16:36] [Kloreep] Hi [16:36] * Kloreep sets mode: +o MasterZen [16:36] * Kloreep sets mode: +nis [16:37] -apolyton.net:@#feast- Kloreep invited WIA into channel #feast. [16:37] [Sharpe] Hi [16:37] * WIA has joined #feast [16:37] [WIA] Hello.. [16:37] [Kloreep] Hi [16:37] [Sharpe] Hi [16:38] [Kloreep] Tabemono was wondering what LL is researching next... MZ is digging in the forum for that right now [16:38] * Kloreep sets mode: +o WIA [16:38] [Sharpe] as we are about to start researching our next tech this turn as well [16:38] * WIA is getting his head around all the team DGs... [16:38] * WIA goes digging as well [16:50] [MasterZen] hmm, just checked the thread. I think we still have no clue what to research next. Probably Feud or Eng [16:51] [Sharpe] hmm [16:51] [Kloreep] We just got in to the MA [16:51] [Kloreep] We're thinking of going Feud and wanted to check with you guys [16:51] [MasterZen] well if you do Feud I don't think we'd do it either [16:51] [MasterZen] probably Eng then [16:52] [Kloreep] k [16:52] [MasterZen] as long was we agree to a Feud-Eng trade [16:52] [Kloreep] A Feud for Eng trade then, perhaps [16:52] [Sharpe] sounds interesting [16:54] [Sharpe] there is a 4 point difference between them IIRC [16:54] [Sharpe] you don't have Lit yet ? [16:54] [MasterZen] easily compensated with either $$ or somethign else [16:55] [MasterZen] don't remember [16:55] [MasterZen] I haven't opened the LL save in a loooong time [16:55] [Sharpe] if you don't have Lit we could probably add that in and then gold to even it out ? [16:55] [Sharpe] gold from your side I guess as Lit is 10 tech points [16:58] [Sharpe] or a split between gold and something else [16:58] [WIA] But the impt thing is that we can broadly agree - finer points on compensation can be arranged by those who actually look at the save... [16:58] [Kloreep] [16:59] [Sharpe] [16:59] [Kloreep] Yep, Feud-Eng sounds good, though Sharpe and I aren't quite enough of a majority to agree to it on the spot [17:00] [WIA] But don;t you guys have to decide pretty soon as you are about to finish something? [17:00] [Sharpe] well we would only need one more for agreement I guess [17:02] * Disconnected Session Close: Mon Feb 09 17:03:26 2004

	11-02-2004 17:39									#17
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jo*** que complicado es leer eso

así que ¿Feud por Eng y alguna compensación por medio?

por mí

Y de nuestros vecinos isleños ¿no tenemos nada? Deben ser los prioritarios

	13-02-2004 16:47									#18
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Si, es complicado tambien en ingles...

Lo mas importante es la introduccion de la idea de intercambiar nuestro Ingenieria por su Feudalismo. Hay la condicion que trabajamos por Ingenieria luego, por supuesto.

Ese intercambio resultara en una desigualidad de 4 ptas a su beneficio, pero es posible que podemos la rectificar con un otro intercambio que incluye su literatura, que vale 10 ptas.

Al momento, los debemos 1 pta. Hay algunos posibilidades:

LL: Ingenieria (36)
Tabemono: Feudalismo (32) +1 pta que los debemos = 33pts

Desigualidad: 3 ptas por Tabemono


LL: Ingenieria (36)
Tabemono: Feudalismo (32) + Literatura (10) + 1 pta que los debemos = 43 ptas

Desigualidad: 7 ptas por Tabemono

Excepto que alguien puede descubrir una otra posibilidad, podemos recuperar la desigualidad con oro - el proposito (por Sharpe de Tabemono) es 15-20 oro por pta, or alguna mezcla de oro y otro.

Notan tambien que estas charlas ocurrian con solo dos miembros de Tabemono y MZ + yo, y es evidente que las negociaciones necesitaran la participacion de miembros mas activos para ser finalizado.

	07-03-2004 12:52									#19
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Mensaje (casi) nuevo, recibido recientemente

quote: Greetings! I've been asked to help out a little on the diplomatic front between our nations. Kloreep is a bit busy it seems these days. I understand that you guys are researching Engineering, correct? I come before you now to offer up the following trade: Literature + Feudalism in exchange for your Engineering. I believe I would be able to convince the team that it would be best for us to send Lit now as well, instead of later, and trusting your impecible record that you will follow through with the Engineering. What say you, do we have a deal? - UnOrthOdOx on behalf of Team Tabemono

En efecto, ellos propongan que les damos Ingenieria por su Literacy y Feudalismo.

	07-03-2004 13:22									#20
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Pues tiene buena pinta...lo malo es que no estamos investigando nada, en unos turnos viene la anarquia, por lo que no podremos empezar a investigar hasta unos 8-10 turnos. Si se lo dices y les parece bien esperar, estupendo


MrWIA, ya no usamos las embajadas, todo lo de exteriores lo tenemos centralizado en la thread del Ministerio de Relaciones Sexteriores

	17-04-2004 17:39									#21
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Mandado a ZargonX, Kloreep, GodKing y UnOrthOdOx (no estoy seguro cuales de ellos son activos):

quote: Hello, it's been a while. I am not sure exactly who to send this to right now, so I am sending to those who I think may be active there (and UnO, who I know is to some degree). Communications have been a little sporadic between our teams recently, in large part due to the lack of many of my fellow Lovers' feeling confident enough in their English to convey and translate messages for the team. The first reason for this PM is to inform you that I am hoping to smooth things over by acting as Ambassador of sorts - my Spanish is usually good enough for this task. I apologise for any strange signals that may have been received recently, and the second intent of this PM is to clear those up. The Lovers are keen to maintain our NAP and friendly cooperation. There is no intention to attack our well-eating friends, and we hope we can meet soon for more diplomatic exchanges - you bring the wine, we'll bring the women! If there are any concerns about possible violations of territorial rights please let us know and we will remove our warriors, who admittedly sometimes get so love-crazed they believe they can sense womenfolk from many leagues away. In many cases it may be these hormone-blinded ambassadors for the Latins who are accidentally treading Tabemono vineyards on their Quixote-like missions for non-existent ladies in the night. I have been informed that you have requested an alliance with us. Although we are certainly not averse to such an arrangement, we are a little curious as to what the Tabemono intends to achieve with this. If you can let us know exactly what sort of cooperation would be involved in this alliance, I am sure I will be able to encourage my lust-driven Government to look upon this favourably. After all it WOULD mean more joint banquets (they quite like those...)! The last issue you have presented to us before is on buying Feudalism from you. The paperwork for this sadly got caught between the buttocks of the favourite concubine of the Gran Miembro - our leader - and it was only rediscovered recently. Please do not ask me how it got there , but rest assured we are now tabling this motion, and I hope to bring you more information over the next turn or two. Until we converse again, eat well and be merry! WIA - Foreign Affairs Consultant/Translator for the Latin Lovers.

Intento a usar las Embajadas porque es mas facil buscar los mensajes mas recientes mandado y recibido de cade equipo individual. En El Ministerio Sexterior es muy dificil buscar mensajes de un equipo!

	18-04-2004 14:40									#22
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De acuerdo. Hay una cosa que si podemos hacer con Tabemono: intercambio de lujos. Pronto podremos tener una ruta y ofrecerles tintes, ellos tienen incienso y pieles, a ver si tienen excedente

	18-04-2004 15:42									#23
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Tintes para hacer vistosos manteles para sus banquetes

	19-04-2004 08:40									#24
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En este caso hay una otra propuesta para Tabemono - investigar si seria posible establecer una ruta entre nuestras tierras para permitir intercambio de lujos. Les escribiria sobre este?

	19-04-2004 19:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt En este caso hay una otra propuesta para Tabemono - investigar si seria posible establecer una ruta entre nuestras tierras para permitir intercambio de lujos. Les escribiria sobre este?

Me parece bien .. podrias preguntarles donde prefieren hacer una carretera para conectarnos...

	22-04-2004 03:43									#26
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Y hay que pedirles que de acuerdo al NAP firmado retiren el espadachin de Montserrat y darles permiso a que pasen con la galera por nuestras aguas para que abandonen la zona

	22-04-2004 18:55									#27
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PMed a Tabemono (Klo, UnO, ZX y GK):

quote: Hail to Tabemono from the fiesty Roman Latino Corazón! I bring greetings and offerings from the sunny shores of our chiquita-populated lands. I always enjoy my short visits to your realms, for the healthy culinary fortification I always enjoy here aids my stamina greatly when I return home, something for which other Romans are at times deeply envious. For an hors d'oeuvre I have a proposal to set forth for discussion at your dining tables. Our lands are close, and this allows us to consider setting up a trade route, either via sea or land through a road network. This would enable closer ties between our two peoples, and it may be possible to exchange luxury items, if you have surplus. We have Dyes for possible trade, and we notice you have Incense and Hides, although our accountants are befuddled as to whether you have enough to trade as well as keeping your dining halls smelling so wonderfully, and so well insulated. Secondly, further to the possibility of us buying Feudalism off of you, if you have no luxuries spare we could possibly try to negotiate a trade for Feudalism involving our surplus Dyes. Food for thought. I have two further items on the menu for today. Some of the more nervous Latin Ministers have noticed with concern that a Tabemono Swordman is near the Latin city of Montserrat. Of course I realise that this is due to just a slight misunderstanding over the NAP, but all the same they have pressured me to officially ask that you please make plans to retire your sturdy troops to their barracks, thus easing the worries of my stressed superiors. I thank you in advance. Also there is a Tabemono Galley stuck on the coast between the spheres of several Latin cities, cut off from the lush shores of home. If it be of interest to you to return these sailors (they seem to be wasting away when viewed from afar!), we are certainly willing to discuss the possibility of them traversing our coast to reach their homelands. We do not want your sailors starving on our beaches! Thus it is with some regret I must leave you, friends, and return through the jungle to the sun-soaked babelands of my home. I look forward to my return to visit you. * MrWhereItsAt places hand on chest and bows, then departs. MrWhereItsAt Foreign Affairs Consultant/Translator Latin Lovers Team.

	26-04-2004 03:43									#28
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Ya no hay respuesta.

Preguntare a Kloreep o alguien otro si yo lo veo en la charla sobre todo. El me conto durante el fin de semana que su foro es un poco tranquilo al momento.

	28-04-2004 18:31									#29
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Después de mi charla con miembros de Tabemono mas temprano hoy, aqui está en todo...

quote: * Now talking in #table * Kloreep has joined #table * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +k blackbull * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +ps * ZargonX has joined #table *UnOrthOdOx* Why isn't the op working? * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Kloreep * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o WIA *ZargonX* because you are clearly the sole power here * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o ZargonX *ZargonX* oh, never mind *WIA* Wow - three of the 4 who I sent the PMs too! Amazing! *WIA* *UnOrthOdOx* Oh sure MZ wuits. *UnOrthOdOx* quites. *Kloreep* MZ is on *UnOrthOdOx* er something. *Kloreep* MasterZen is not *WIA* He wouldn't know anything recent anyway. He's more inactive than anyone *ZargonX* yeah, in all his PBEMs, too *ZargonX* *UnOrthOdOx* So you want to give me the jist of it or should I read it WIA? *WIA* Well, I waffled for a bit about how great it was to visit your banquets (we bring the women, you bring the wine...) *WIA* I asked about the Swordsman near one of our cities - but that has been moved. *WIA* I asked if you wanted to negotiate a passage for your ship through our territory if you wanted to get it home again * Sharpe has joined #table *WIA* Otherwise I asked about tech trades and the possibility of setting up a trade route for swapping lux, if you have any potential spares. *UnOrthOdOx* negotiate? * UnOrthOdOx cocks a brow... *WIA* Well, not FOR anything, just to talk about whether you anted to move through *WIA* I think that's the whole message *UnOrthOdOx* Yeah, all more flowery stuff. *UnOrthOdOx* Lux, I have the save, let me lookie. *WIA* We aren't quite set up for exchanging lux, but if we can both be sometime then it would be well worth both of us doing so, i think *UnOrthOdOx* Looks like we have a spare fur ATM, but I don't know our current deals due to my lack of time recently. *WIA* Of course we need a road first *UnOrthOdOx* It may be spoken for. *WIA* OK sure. But there may be the possibility of you guys buying a spare lux off us, at least. *WIA* Could one of you find out about whether it was promised to someone? *UnOrthOdOx* Re the galley, unless you like it sifting along your coast, it'll be moving through, yes. *WIA* OK, I don;t see a problem with that, but I will let the Gran Miembro know anyway *UnOrthOdOx* I don't believe so on the Fur. I see no negotiations for it. *WIA* Alright, well that sounds worth looking at then. Is it connected ATM? *UnOrthOdOx* Yes. *UnOrthOdOx* It's free and clear awaiting a trade partner. *WIA* Right, well we'd need to get a road connection going. WOuld a straight swap of lux be (subject to team approval) a good idea? *UnOrthOdOx* As far as I'm concerned, yes. * WIA wonders how easy it will be summarising this chat for the Spaniards.... *WIA* Cool. *WIA* All I have left is tech possibilities, which I am looking on the forum for now. *WIA* Anything you guys have in mind at all? *UnOrthOdOx* Well, Let's see. *UnOrthOdOx* SS is researching Theo, or possibly have it. *UnOrthOdOx* AFAIK, MAST is doing CHIV. *UnOrthOdOx* We are going to do Inv *WIA* For certain, then. *WIA* Interesting. I think Sunshine believes you are going for Chiv *WIA* Oops -sorry, that's old information *UnOrthOdOx* I already had this discussion with Togas twice now, if they still think that then... *WIA* That's certainly old info. *UnOrthOdOx* Now then. *WIA* We are not on anything ATM, waiting to see what best to research. *UnOrthOdOx* Yeah, gotta save that cash for the mass upgrades, we know... *WIA* *UnOrthOdOx* So, who's really researching for you then? *WIA* Actually I wouldn;t know about the military side of things. I'm jus a FAM consultant/translator. *WIA* We're avtually trying to see what best to research so we can do a deal sometime. *WIA* I kid you not. *WIA* Unless the Gran Miembro has a scheme he hasn't posted... *UnOrthOdOx* Would that be MZ? *WIA* No, Niessuh, I think *WIA* MZ is really inactive *Sharpe* I think MZ is busy with his studies/thesis *UnOrthOdOx* Let's see, ever get back with me re cooperation possibilities? *WIA* Cooperation on what? *WIA* That's something that doesn;t ring a bell. *UnOrthOdOx* Alliance I believe is the word I used. *WIA* Oh! That IS new to me! Hell, since we're close sounds good. *UnOrthOdOx* That's funny. *WIA* Will just see how quick we can research... *UnOrthOdOx* Looking over PM's you acknowledged it some time back. *UnOrthOdOx* Obviously you must not have been seriously considering it then if you already forgot. *WIA* Shite. Sorry.... that may have been when I was still trying to get up to speed *WIA* I don't actually know if I told the team about that bit (guilty) *WIA* I mentioned the Feud trade and everything else... *UnOrthOdOx* You know, I don't really have the time for being jerked around like this. *UnOrthOdOx* This isn't the first little 'confusion'. *UnOrthOdOx* Team as a whole, not you. *WIA* I am not surprised really. There have been some instances of language confusion I have seen and tried to help clear u\ *WIA* *up *UnOrthOdOx* That might play for a little while, WIA, but this is a constant problem. *WIA* So what are you thinking? *UnOrthOdOx* When an NAP/Border agreement from your side reads "we have no intention of comming closer" then we see more cities closer a few turns later, that's not a language confusion. *UnOrthOdOx* That's being jerked around. *WIA* Is THAT what the weirdness was about! No-one in Latins seemed to know. *WIA* Or no-one active could tell me *UnOrthOdOx* Not to mention border patrols from your units are deemed ok, but ours are told to leave immediately. *UnOrthOdOx* No one ACTIVE? *WIA* Crap! Did we have our units in your borders? *UnOrthOdOx* I've got it from Niessuh * WIA has now run out of possible explanations *UnOrthOdOx* I asked that you proceed neither W nor north and he agreed. *UnOrthOdOx* Then we see more W settlement. *WIA* The city of Montserrat, I take it? *UnOrthOdOx* Yes, I don't open for a month, imagin my surprise. *UnOrthOdOx* From Neissuh: "The present border will be stable." *UnOrthOdOx* Guess what I think upon opening for the first time in a month. *UnOrthOdOx* And seeing it NOT be stable. *WIA* Leading towards war, I guess... *UnOrthOdOx* Personally, I'ld rather it not still. *UnOrthOdOx* The map would appear to beg differently, and have us become partners. *UnOrthOdOx* That said, there has been little in the way of a stable relation with your team at the same time. *UnOrthOdOx* Besides, if I was planning to invade you, you'ld be the last person I would be telling. *UnOrthOdOx* Remember RP? *WIA* Bits of it... Not much from that time *UnOrthOdOx* Besides. I don't think Kloreep would let me. *WIA* *UnOrthOdOx* Stupid buildermongers. *Kloreep* *WIA* He likes our ladies too much, eh? *Kloreep* Of course *Kloreep* And who would trade a library for some silly units? * WIA is using SpanishDict.com a lot here to get this into words they can understand *UnOrthOdOx* So. We want to know, what are your long term plans are? *UnOrthOdOx* Is Tabemono in them, if so, to what extent? *UnOrthOdOx* tech partners? More? *WIA* I can only tell you what I have seen in the forum as of late. *UnOrthOdOx* PM me, WIA. *WIA* Long-term plans are continuing to develop our heartlands, whilst getting tech deals arranged. *UnOrthOdOx* My wife says it's time for bed. *WIA* OK UnO. You;ve given me a lot to yell at them about, I may need to PM or chat with Niessuh myself instead of just posting this time *UnOrthOdOx* night. *WIA* G'night * UnOrthOdOx has quit IRC (Quit: ) *WIA* What about the rest of you watching this? Is UnO taking this too seriously? What do you all think? *ZargonX* The lines of communication have been troubled, at best *WIA* Can it be salvaged, if I can intervene enough? *ZargonX* I'd like to think so *ZargonX* UnO has pointed out the main areas of concern *ZargonX* so if you can discuss them with your "members," perhaps we can move beyond this into more fruitful cooperation *Sharpe* it feels to me as though the Latins have been deliberately expanding towards us , that being said there is little land now left between us *Sharpe* Night! *WIA* I see. *WIA* Night SHarpe *WIA* I am really going to town on this thread - my largest Spanish post in AGES * Sharpe has left #table *ZargonX* good luck *ZargonX* But, seriously, please let us know how it goes *ZargonX* UnO is right that we have much more to gain from working together than from being suspicious of one another *WIA* Ýeah, I think so too. It seems to me that no-one in LL is aware of such tensions! *WIA* They think thigns are going fine *ZargonX* well, that may be part of the problem *ZargonX* perhaps we haven't expressed our concerns vocally enough *WIA* Or perhaps they were misinterpreted *WIA* I certainly know since recently, when I sort of took over the FAM reigns a bit, that I have been almost the only one to post in the forum except for the turnplayer when the turn is played, and few seem to have commented on FAM stuff. Also I have not got any PMs back from ANY team in the last 2 weeks *ZargonX* could be *ZargonX* sounds like a breakdown in the system *ZargonX* but, you're here now, so let's try and work through them *ZargonX* anyway, I'm off to bed as well *ZargonX* 'night all! *WIA* Night ZX! * ZargonX has left #table (Leaving) End of #table buffer Wed Apr 28 16:18:36 2004

	28-04-2004 18:38									#30
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Es obvio que hay problemas con nuestra politica extranjera. Parece que Tabemono es mas o menos preparado a cooperar con nosotros, pero ellos tienen dudas.

Debemos que tranqulilzar ellos, y pienso que una disculpa y la propuesta de una alianza nos sirve bien. Hay la posibilidad que Tabemono será muy útil para nosotros durante un gran porción del juego, pero es importante que mostramos nuestro voluntad por ser genuino.

Por favor - que piense otros?