07-11-2003 16:23									#1
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miccofl has today topld us that they are 4 turns away from Monotheism, and he tried to arrange a trade. We told him that we don't have anything to give them (Invention is 20+ turns away at current research rate, but that number should decrease after the war is over and we have our GA), and we have the outstanding agreement with CFC for them to give us Mono, which they get in estimated 12 turns.

miccofl then suggested we should communicate a little better to try and get trades sorted early, so let's try and do that before they actually get Mono and have to choose a new tech.

Invention is worth 44, Chivalry 32 and Theology 40. Both Invention and Theology allow key Medieval Wonders which would each make a civ's life much easier. I would suggest we get them to go for Theology, and trade them Invention for that and some gold compensation for the cost difference.

If CGN has been researching Monotheism only since they came out of Anarchy in 10BC, they will end up with it within 7 turns, meaning they have around 125 beakers per turn! Although we can match this, it would mean a 90-odd % tech rate. With the same rate they could get to Theology within 10 turns, so they could potentially reach it before we get to Invention, giving them a headstart if they wanted to build the Sistine Chapel. However, remember that we should have our GA, whereas they have to wait some time for it (Cavalry), helping redress the balance should we want to build the Sistine Chapel and had no Leaders.

These are the issues that face us relating a deal with CGN - let us discuss!

	07-11-2003 23:37									#2
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I put this the turn thread before I saw that this thread existed.

quote: Originally posted by BigFree The chances that we need gold right away are good. Trip estimated that CGN can do 7-8 turn research on the Middle Age techs. They said they have 4 turns to go on Mono. That was after 5 turns of anarchy just recently. That means they got there PDQ. We have 25 tunrs to go on Invention. I'll bet CGN could finish Mono, Invention and Theology at about the same time we finish Invention. Hopefully since we are aquiring Mono from CFC in 12 turns, we can can get CGN to research Theology now then go onto Printing Press or Education while we finish Invention. Then we can trade Invention for Theology. The we will need gold to either deficit research or actually buy tech from CGN.

	07-11-2003 23:38									#3
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CGN is going to have to start on a new research project once they finish Monotheism. We won't be done with Invention yet, so they can't go down that road. The only path that makes sense is Theology.

With Theology and Invention so close together in price (40 vs 44), I say we just trade those two straight-up and eat the difference. We'll aquire Chivalry from CFC or GWT.

--Togas

	08-11-2003 04:04									#4
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My thinking on this issue was very much in line with what Togas just brought up. It's going to take us a while to reach Invention and CGN will almost certainly have something else to offer by then.

	08-11-2003 04:25									#5
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There's always the possibility that CGN was researching Mono before Anarchy, so their tech rate might not be THAT awesome, so both are possiblities.

If CGN gets that much per turn, surely we can put the question up to them: that there is a cost imbalance between Invention and Theology, so what would they think about some kind of trade between those two? We may get some gold out of it as well, without having to be the ones to directly ask for it, and the more we get that others don't is all the better.

	08-11-2003 21:51									#6
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Most useful for us seems to currently be additional luxaries.

	09-11-2003 17:16									#7
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Alas since we are separated from CGN + GWT by ocean, we will not be trading luxuries or strategic resources until Navigation or Magnetism...