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G'Kar
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St. Louis, USA
Aug 2003
time: 23:31
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Originally posted by Alexander01
Of course you can add it by removing another civ. My personal choice would be to remove Iroquois. (Seriously , I hate affirmative action civs.)
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That's your judgement, which is not much.
How can anyone try to assess the "value" of a civilization whithout experiencing and understanding all civilizations?
There is great worth in civilizations that devoted themselves not to brick and mortar accomplishments but to spiritual and emotional growth.
After all, we are on this planet for only a short while, but we are spiritual beings for much longer; thus spirituality is a much wiser investment.
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G'Kar
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St. Louis, USA
Aug 2003
time: 23:31
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Originally posted by Plotinus
Personally, I'd have liked to see another African kingdom make it - Ghana, perhaps, or Mali, or perhaps the Ethiopians. |
That would be great.
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Alexander01
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quote:
Originally posted by G'Kar
How can anyone try to assess the "value" of a civilization whithout experiencing and understanding all civilizations?
There is great worth in civilizations that devoted themselves not to brick and mortar accomplishments but to spiritual and emotional growth.
After all, we are on this planet for only a short while, but we are spiritual beings for much longer; thus spirituality is a much wiser investment. |
To each his own, I suppose. However, in games like Civilization 3, the civilizations are more involved in "brick and mortar accomplishments" than "spiritual and emotional growth." It's difficult to render such concepts in the more concrete structure of Civilization 3.
I would not object to the Iroquois if a more accurate rendering of their civilization were possible. You see, the Iroquois were not prone to building Wonders of the World for example. If there were a way to represent the more "tribal" cultures accurately, I'd be all for it. It just doesn't sit right with me to put the Iroquois to building Colosseums like Rome.
They should be focusing on "spiritual and emotional growth" to quote G'Kar again, an aspect which is not present to a great degree in Civ3.
Even the spiritual/religious aspects of the game, like Temples and Cathedrals, are "brick and mortar accomplishments."
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Alexander01
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Originally posted by Admiral PJ
Alexander dosen't seem to understand about civilisation and history.. maybe he was taught a biased history in German schools, perhaps he simply likes war games.. as many of us do.
The Iroquois can build wonders as much as any other civilisation like America or Germany, Egypt.. like all civilisations , they start as tribes and become civilisations when they begin trading and work together to make peaceful cities and develop tools and technologies.. farming, hunting etc.
All people are the same, it is only an artificial cultural difference in education and religion etc that create different civilisation states. Humans are one species.
Later wonders and great science and religions were born , race does not much affect these.
I think there should be another north american civ.. the Sioux were fun, or Inuit even.
I would prefer to see American civ coming later from a revolution of English/German colonies. I see them as a tribal native american civ early on .. as there were no americans truly , until about 1600. |
Whoa there, Tiger!
I didn't mean to imply that any one race or civilization is better than any other. We are all diverse, unique, and of equal worth. Human life and rights are of paramount importance.
By the way, I find your remark about "biased history in German schools" to be rather insulting. I'll have you know that I'm more English than anything else. I'm first-generation American, from English & German immigrants.
And yes, I do think it a little bit silly to have an American civ at 4000 B.C. piddling around in the Bronze Age!
The point is, what makes a civilization qualify for Civilization 3? I would venture to say it can be for a number of factors, including:
Size
Cultural Contribution
Longevity
That includes the "big" civs. like England, Rome, etc.
But I'm sure Civ's makers didn't want to overlook other areas of the world's population. The North American natives are a significant and important cultural group, but did not achieve "the wonders" of some of their neighbors (i.e. written history, etc.). They were not to be excluded, but obviously a silly conglomerate like CtP's "Native Americans" was not the right option. Thus, the Iroqouis with their confederacy of tribes, are included in Civ3.
They didn't have a great empire, like Rome, or build magnificent Pyramids, like Egypt, or create a society that has lasted in one form or another for over a thousand years, like the English. But they represent a significant group of the world's inhabitants.
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pikesfan
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If I were going to make Civ 4, for all those people who complain that this or that civilization in the game I would add five new civilizations:
The Andorrans
The Sanmarinese
The Liechtensteiners
The Monégasques and
The Vaticanese
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pikesfan
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If I were going to make Civ 4, for all those people who complain that this or that civilization doesn’t belong in the game I would add five new civilizations:
The Andorrans
The Sanmarinese
The Liechtensteiners
The Monégasques and
The Vaticanese
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Brent
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hmm, I wonder... would the Vaticanese be Religious?? heehee...
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pauli
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herndon, va, usa
Jan 2000
time: 00:31
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the sealanders!
(and petoria)
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