07-11-2003 22:41									#1
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I've been looking at that new addition, and it seems like it might be interesting, but I haven't been able to figure out exactly how it works. And the help file doesn't exactly provide any good examples.

	08-11-2003 02:28									#2
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Nope. (But again all I have to go on are a very limited set of biq files and one save.)

	08-11-2003 06:07									#3
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It seems fairly simple -- a probability from 0-100% is assigned for Civ Flavor 1 to research techs and/or build improvements "native" to Flavors 2-7.

I'm just confused if this in any way changes how required/not-required-for-era-advances work -- does every probabalistically researched tech now have to be optional?

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	08-11-2003 20:13									#4
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Huh?

What're flavors?

	08-11-2003 21:48									#5
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	09-11-2003 01:07									#6
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Huh? What're flavors?

As well as the regular attributes, each civ can be assigned a flavor, there's 7 in total. You can also attach them to buildings and techs, and establish probablities between them. So you can steer each civ into certain directions as far as their research and building priorities are concerned. Meaning a flavour 1 civ will be more inclined to build a flavor 1 structure, rather than a flavor 7. It looks kind of interesting, but I haven't had a chance to to really play with them, so I don't know exactly how they work.

	10-11-2003 07:43									#7
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As far as techs go, flavor techs have to be optional as the steering is away from techs. Once the AI decides not to research a tech they apparently never will.

	10-11-2003 10:19									#8
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quote: Once the AI decides not to research a tech they apparently never will.

That can't possibly be true. Eventually the AI will be forced to research a tech as long as it isn't optional.

Unless of course you were only referring until the point where the AI will be forced to research a certain technology. I seriously doubt the AI goes to such an extreme to not research a certain technology that they would turn off their scientific research completely in order not to research it lol.

	18-11-2003 02:13									#9
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I think I got the underlaying structure of Flaveors cleared out, and it seems as if the fileformat limit would be 32 rather than 7 flavors.

It may our cource be an AI limit to put it to 7... Nut I think someone should try and see if anyone would make use of more...

	18-11-2003 02:22									#10
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hmmm could this be used to create separate tech trees for each civ?

	18-11-2003 02:35									#11
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I don'th think so... They only affect the chances for an AI to build certain things or reasearch certain stuff. But they er not didabling the access to the techs to specific civs.

Civ specific tech trees can however be made by the use of era NONE techs used as prerequre for certain techs and given as start techs to the civs. (At least I think that is possible sice the latest PTW patch (or is it two patches ago) when they changed ERA NONE techs to work as intended). I've not had the time to test it out, so if anyone has tried and figured it douesn't work so correct me.
If it works one of the bigger problems with making sush a mod would be the fact that you would have to make all techs use the same arrows as you can't have civ specific science advisors.

	18-11-2003 22:44									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Civ specific tech trees can however be made by the use of era NONE techs used as prerequre for certain techs and given as start techs to the civs.

There might be an easier way now, just use the Cannot Be Traded flag. However that may fall apart with an era jump, unless a tech can be given to each civ that doesn't become active until a new era is reached.

	19-11-2003 03:31									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Willem unless a tech can be given to each civ that doesn't become active until a new era is reached.

You can do this (Tthe Middle Ages Conquest makes use of this trick).

	22-11-2003 04:10									#14
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I had a bit of fun with this, and heres what 'appears' to have happened..

I have Era 3, Science & War Techs seperate, Era4 Religion and Magic, In PTW, the computer would skip past the science and war to get to Era 4... Break!!

But Now that I've assigned the Warlord Flavour, the Computer researches War-lord flavour techs now, BUT on some ocasions (its set to 25% Science, 25% Religeon, 5% Mage) the other techs...

I'm going to reassign the %, to 10,5 and 0 to the science, religeon and magic. and make other Flavours, like European(35,70,25,10 respective)...

The only concearn is that other than the.. Race Strengths.. assigning opening techs, (which it doesn' anyway) they seem to be a little obsolete....

	25-11-2003 05:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Bane Star I had a bit of fun with this, and heres what 'appears' to have happened.. I have Era 3, Science & War Techs seperate, Era4 Religion and Magic, In PTW, the computer would skip past the science and war to get to Era 4... Break!! But Now that I've assigned the Warlord Flavour, the Computer researches War-lord flavour techs now, BUT on some ocasions (its set to 25% Science, 25% Religeon, 5% Mage) the other techs... I'm going to reassign the %, to 10,5 and 0 to the science, religeon and magic. and make other Flavours, like European(35,70,25,10 respective)... The only concearn is that other than the.. Race Strengths.. assigning opening techs, (which it doesn' anyway) they seem to be a little obsolete....

wow, really? i was wrestling with this stuff, trying to make certain small woners, that produce units for only some civs (trying to integrate all the unit animations i can) - so create a tech tree with era none, eh? you seem to know a lot here - why not start a thread of your own?

oh - warlord flavor? where did u find that? is it in the editor - help?

	25-11-2003 06:20									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I think I got the underlaying structure of Flaveors cleared out, and it seems as if the fileformat limit would be 32 rather than 7 flavors.

Who came up with this? Baskin-Robbins? I thought it was 31 flavors.

	25-11-2003 11:10									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Who came up with this? Baskin-Robbins? I thought it was 31 flavors.

I've only seen the BIQ files yet, and in the conquests.biq there are 7 flavors named Flavor 1, Flavor 2, Flavor 3 ... Flavor 7

	28-11-2003 15:40									#18
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I believe that the Flavours can be assigned to techs and buildings so that only Civs assigned that flavour will research/build them, and the percentages refer to diplomatic relations between different flavoours?

	29-11-2003 19:05									#19
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So far I have yet to see how the AI uses them properly... I have assigned some at 5-15% and watched a Debug game to see how the AI choses, Its like a Priority thing at the moment, Now I may be Wrong but...

Its easy enough if its race Flavour A chooses Building Flavour A first, and lesser % in order...
But
If the AI race is Flavour A & B, and the buildings are A- , B+C, A+C, A+D and B+E... Where A to B is 75% and B to A is 50%, and the rest at all 25%... the even though the A type building seems first choice, the B+C building will get chosen first....

Then combine with if the Building is Commercial and the race is commercial....

	02-12-2003 00:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 I believe that the Flavours can be assigned to techs and buildings so that only Civs assigned that flavour will research/build them, and the percentages refer to diplomatic relations between different flavoours?

No, it's just a matter of priorities. If a Flavour 1 civ has a choice between building a Flavour 1 improvement or a Flavour 7, it will choose 1 first. Same thing with techs.

It seems to me though that it doesn't work very well. I haven't really noticed anything different in the way they build, though I haven't checked it out that intensively yet. I've just glanced at other civ's capitals, noy played the game in debug mode yet.