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Just you wait until you see him in the Industrial and Modern Ages...
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Well, at least the hoplites have sexy legs!
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Plotinus
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[Panther_ca] Ha, I noticed that too!
I have to say I was always disappointed with how Alexander looks, since Alexander the Great is normally depicted as very young (obviously) with blond curly hair and a headband with a pair of rams' horns in it. That's how they showed him in Civilization I... ah well...
Am I the only person to have a minor crush on Jeanne d'Arc? Or have I just been playing this damn thing far too much?
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Plotinus
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No-one else, eh? That means I have her all to myself. Eeeexcellent!
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Plotinus
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Shogun Gunner, you may be interested to know that Theodora was, in real life, not only a Monophysite but an actress and high-class prostitute. The future Emperor Justinian had to have a special law passed by his uncle, Emperor Justin, allowing him to marry her, since Roman Emperors had previously only been allowed to marry nobles.
Perhaps you just need to raise the price a little...
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Plotinus
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Justinian was classy through and through - the last of the great Roman Emperors, a military colossus who reconquered pretty much the whole of the old Empire, the man who essentially wrote Western law for the rest of history (when people talk about "Roman law" they mean the Code of Justinian), and a surprisingly good theologian to boot - even if he did call the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 and destroy the writings of Origen, the greatest Christian writer of all time. He also lapsed into the Aphthartodocetic heresy towards the end of his life, and in my opinion anyone who can even pronounce that, let alone believe it, is clearly someone to be reckoned with (especially as Justinian was actually a Slav and always spoke Greek with an accent). Justinian was the obvious choice for the Byzantines' leader in CivIII, too, but I think it's rather nice they went for his wife instead, who was also very important. They were kind of the Posh and Becks of the early Byzantine Empire, with added armies.
I'll shut up now... ;-)
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Plotinus
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lol, yes, Christianity was much more interesting in those days, it seems...
Can't I be a throwback *and* a great historian? ;-)
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:31
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quote:
Originally posted by steven8r
I still think that Cleo, with her Ptolemic good looks takes the cake. |
Oddly enough, by all accounts and depictions, the real Cleopatra was not an attractive woman by modern standards. She had a round, chubby face, a hooked nose and overly-large eyes. She looked more like the lead actress from My Big Fat Greek Wedding than a she did a young Elizabeth Taylor.
I wa so annoyed by the Alexander graphic that I swapped his and Caesar's. What they were thinking when they did Alexander's leader head, I don't know. He looks Anglo-Saxon, not Greek/Macedonian. He also looks like a dandy, something he certainly wasn't.
Joan of Arc's graphic bothers me in that it is Joan of Arc rather than an actual French leader. That they wouldn't choose Napoleon, who is iconic of French leaders, is off-putting. Even if it was due to PC and wanting another female leader, they could have at least chosen Catherine de Medici, a woman who held real authority over France.
While we're griping, let's talk about Gandhi. Can we say, "we haven't bothered to look beyond cultural stereotypes to find other leaders, so we picked Gandhi!" I mean, having him as the civ leader is wrong because 1) He never was an actual Indian head of state, and 2) He would never be waging war and acting like the game Gandhi behaves. Now, this is being picky, except there are several other choices more suitable. How about Indira Gandhi, a female? Or Chandragupta, a great emperor?
Anyway, that's enough for now...
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[Boris] Apologies - my memory's a little rusty after 14 and a half centuries, you know. Of course Justinian wasn't yet emperor when he married, although he was pretty much acting like it, I recall.
I agree with the inaccuracy of Alexander, and the slightly odd choice of Gandhi - I suppose they wanted someone everyone had heard of. But I've always found it odd having Gandhi turn up and demand things with menaces before declaring war on me. The French leader in the original Civ was indeed Napoleon. They also had Stalin leading the Russians, who was much more fun to deal with than Catherine - although I suspect they've removed him on grounds of questionable taste. But they've kept Mao, of course, who (unverified historical assertion alert) had more people killed than Hitler and Stalin put together.
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That's pretty bad. I would rather have Ivan the Terrible smile at me!
I had to look up "monophysite" on google. 
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