08-11-2003 22:45									#1
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You can draw it, or explain it. I'm still designing mine, so my answer will be delayed.

Limits:
-NO transportation, NO vehicles. Possible extra ammo will be dropped to your location.

-NO any kind of missile systems. RPGs are allowed, and pity the fool who doesn't want them.

-Water area on your back, so you retreat to water and enemy will just shoot you like a fish in a bucket.

-You can have mortars and granade launchers, assault rifles and heavy support weaponry that is mounted in the ground (can NOT be moved).

-You do have communication system, but you can not call endless airstrikes.

I know.. it's a crappy situation! Design your BASE!!!
The winner will be the armchair general of 2003, five stars!

Are you fired up and excited! I KNOW YOU ARE! I AM TOO! LET'S GET IT ON!

	08-11-2003 23:23									#2
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A small lead box?

	08-11-2003 23:24									#3
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huh


edit: wait I think I get it...give me about an hour or two (havent slept for awhile)

	08-11-2003 23:44									#4
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no stationary defence base is worth it, these days.

	08-11-2003 23:49									#5
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It's not supposed to be permanent base. THe kind of base you set up in few days to defend the perimiter.
I don't know what those are in english.

	09-11-2003 00:02									#6
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	09-11-2003 00:05									#7
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I love the Christian line. I think I need one too!

I'm still thinking how I'll build mine. Looking good

	09-11-2003 01:36									#8
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hurry up, sheesh!

	09-11-2003 01:38									#9
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Yeah I tried my best to draw it with PSP but I'm really bad with it .

I will do it however, because I started this so I must do it. I'll go watch Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien and then come back and finish it. Btw, it's going to be AWESOME!

	09-11-2003 02:35									#10
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	09-11-2003 02:39									#11
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God dammit. I think it's the right picture now

	09-11-2003 03:16									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel no stationary defence base is worth it, these days.

hi ,

depends what its for , .....

in Lib we had some deep dug in Vietnam style bases , we still have some today on our borders , ......

pekka , in Israel there is something like a family of remote sentry guns , they are controlled either by comp or by a trackball with a human from a distance , those tend to defend the area extremely good , put in some minefields , both AT and AP , both ground and airbust (!) , some lasers , mortars , sniping positions , and some tanks to move around quickly inside to provide firepower where needed , overlaying killzones , claymores , both in two layers , zigzag trenches with grenade ditches , overhead concrete protection , etc , .....

now lets try to overrun it , ......


say , pekka , what ya need this for , .....

taking up a last stand or so , .......

have a super great night

	09-11-2003 03:36									#13
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Those are all in my plans, except for remote controlled gunnery.. and tanks. I have my Sleep Watcher System too, which has that remote controlled targetting for granade attacks, the ones that shoots the 'mother-granade', explodes in the air and releases many granades.. death from above. I also planned to have lots of flares that are on autofire when I so decide. I also have some milder gasses like military type of tear gas, ready to be launched. I hope the wind is not against me!

I have lots and lots of mines, all are undetectable by ordinary detectors, no metal, naturally.

MY main strategy is to camoflague everything perfectly, so that we can 'ambush' the enemy with our front foxholes, the actual base is not possible to make undetectable from near.
The idea is, that the front foxholes (appx. 200 meters from the actual first foxholes) are manned, and they will unleash granade attacks and fire, and during the granade attack they will flee back to the real front foxholes. This gives them a chance to come back in one piece though with not so good odds. At this time snipers will start taking enemies out, and the smart ones have hit the ground to avoid shrapnel.

We try to make it so, that the enemy thinks our base is straight ahaed of them, and they try to flank just a bit to avoid direct approach. But that's what we want them to think. They'll regroup and start coming, flanking a bit or spreading a bit. If they don't seem to be coming soon enough, we'll just call for an airstrike and check the place after that.

When they start coming, we have laid whole lots of mines, but they are not activated. I watch from goggles when they have advanced enough, and active them AFTER they have gone pass the mines. The mines are now on their back. They are now in area, where there are no mines or only few mines. They start approaching the real minefield, but before that, I let the granades hit on them harder, with full force from the base. Now they hit the ground, what ever, and start either going back or attacking. If they go back, they'll meet the activated mines.

If they attack forward, like I'm expecting, they'll go through traditional AP mines, claymores, and whole lots of flying metal. At this point we open fire with our personal guns and machine guns starts to sing also.

There are also few bigger charges planted, ready for us to push the button and give a nice little shock with that.
If they however make it and still are coming closer, it's tear gas time, and everyone is ready to put those gasmasks on in advance. We then can shoot the enemy like fish in bucket when they are grabbing their masks on.

	09-11-2003 03:38									#14
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mines better

	09-11-2003 03:41									#15
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Space, sure, but you have walls and stuff like that. You won't get guys coming at you, you get airstrikes and missile attacks only . I get them lost guys who think there is onyl light resistance ahead.. BOYAA!

	09-11-2003 03:43									#16
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I have a boat

	09-11-2003 03:44									#17
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That is transportation and they were not allowed

	09-11-2003 03:49									#18
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its not a transport, it's an ironclad. Tuberski's Ironclad! It's just a big sheet of metal with a HUGE friggin' gun


fine, I'll play by your rules...give me another few hours. (i'll try to be serious this time)

	09-11-2003 03:51									#19
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Ok . it's not like I've made the picture either. The emphasis on lightness of it. Otherwise it's a fortress and we have ourselves something that will not be attacked except with bombs. Something you can build in few days.

	09-11-2003 03:54									#20
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wait, no forest??


edit: nvm I misread fortress

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	09-11-2003 04:21									#21
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bleh, this is boring.

	09-11-2003 04:22									#22
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Pekka, is this like the Susie Q?

	09-11-2003 04:26									#23
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Is what like Susie Q? Susie Q can't be used.. because it's transportation/vehicle type of horror machine. Besides, then there is no point.. I could just say 'yeah I have 60 nukes in my base!'. There has to be limits.

	09-11-2003 04:34									#24
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I like pictures more

	09-11-2003 04:37									#25
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I'll have mine ready tomorrow.. now sleepy time.

	09-11-2003 05:27									#26
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The Schliefen plan will bypass it anyway...

	09-11-2003 05:51									#27
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Three words:

Obelisks of Light.

Lots of 'em.

	09-11-2003 06:19									#28
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Dome 1 is made of a seven-foot thick chunk of rubber. Anything thrown at or dropped on it will bounce off.

Between domes 1 and 2 are the mosquitoes. All seventeen million of them. With malaria.

Dome 2 is made of reinforced concrete. 14 feet thick. The wire grid that reinforces it is electrified, so any metal concrete-breaking machinery gets fried.

Between domes 2 and 3 is quicksand and a minefield, covered in floating barbedwire.

Dome 3 is made of glass and polycarbon alloys. 10 feet thick. There are razorblades stuck around the edges. There are remotely controlled machinegun turrets set into it.

Between dome 3 and dome 4 is empty... but it's where all the waste gases from inside dome 4 get pumped. Mostly methane, argon, carbon monoxide, nasty chlorides and so forth.

Dome four is made of 10 feet of glass again, but it has a 2-foot titanium lining.

Inside dome four is a sealed environment like the Gaia projects. It supplies all my needs, and requires no outside influences. All the domes extend 100 feet beneath the ground, so cannot be burrowned under.

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	09-11-2003 08:43									#29
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Shallow underground bunkers. Deep enough to hide IR readings, but dig time being focused on spread and mobility, not deepness. Lots of them spread over a wide area so bunker busters will just destroy on section.

Barbed wire and bungee pits. Lots of booby traps everywhere. Tin cans with shotgun shells, spring spikes, your basic VC ingenuity. Basically, I wouldn't want my enemy knowing they are invading a base.

Barriers built of marijuana to confuse the enemy once fires begin burning, and to cause panick. My soldiers are tough smokers anyways, knowing their crude defenses are worthless will make them want to live it up.

Leech infested pools of water. If in the desert a plethora of scorpions near a water supply, where camp will be likely for the enemy.

	10-11-2003 10:39									#30
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pekka....where is you base?