09-11-2003 05:36									#1
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We should try to get this resolved before we are too far into the month (thank goodness the terms are now 2 months long now... taking a while to resolve this)

I left the number of days open for the vote because I know that Kloreep is away for a bit (and he might be needed for a tiebreaker perhaps ...)

	09-11-2003 09:25									#2
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Oh, I see how it is. Zargon says he'll put up the poll tonight, but some people just can't wait. Who's paying you off, Sharpe? Huh? Who is it!?

	09-11-2003 10:56									#3
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Yeah, Nimitz told me that you would do it today AFTER I set up the poll.... (besides your today only had 35 minutes left hehe....)

	10-11-2003 01:57									#4
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In the previous election thread, someone (Tibi?) asked the candidates for their views on the PtWDG politics and our foreign affairs/plans. With one vote for me and one vote for Nimitz... I guess there are still votes out there that can be gained by a good speech. So...

quote: Fellow Legomen, Let me start my speech with a brief recap of our current diplomatic situation... At the moment, we are allied to the teams of Glory of War & Neu Demogyptica against the team of Gathering Storm - and subsequently, more or less against The Roleplayers, too. Our reason to side with our allies is primarily well calculated, based upon a hopefully justified assumption that they will not, even if seizing the whole of Bob after defeating GS & RP, be able to keep pace with our own progress, largely unhindered by any wars so far. With our evergrowing economic potential, I believe we have the power to ensure our goal is fulfilled, sooner or later. But what happens next? What threats shall we face after this war is over? What could possibly take the victory from our hands then? There is only one really significant threat I can think of. All remaining teams (perhaps excluding Voxes) uniting against us, throwing everything they would have at us. That could hurt. Can we do anything to prevent that happening? Is this threat real at all? GS will do pretty much anything to win the game, even if respecting a certain code of honour along the way. They would ally against us with their former foes at once, if it improved their chances of winning, while lowering our own chances. I do not believe we can do anything to change that. Their nature is simply very competitive. So, I believe that our primary focus should be keeping GoW & ND diplomatically as far from GS as possible, so that they do not even start thinking about an anti-Lego coalition. We've got an extremely favourable "starting position", as personal grudges separate these teams rather well at present... while our own relations with GoW & ND are just great, thanks to our help to their cause so far. The only thing that could possibly change the situation, is, IMHO, if we somehow betrayed GoW & ND. Because of the trust they have put in us so far, they'd most likely start seeing us as an evil even worse than GS. And as the unlikely alliance against RP shows, GoW & ND value feelings like this over the cold-blooded calculations. So... I'm finally getting to the point of my speech... I suggest we stick with our current allies until the very end of this war, ensuring that what we decided would be best for us, eventually happens (while, OTOH, not really minding if that "eventually" comes a bit later... ). I would strongly suggest we truly help our allies with the war efforts, as the goodwill we gain that way is our best insurance against them considering an anti-Lego alliance with GS (though not an insurance all that great, of course). OTOH, once the war is over, I'd do my best to "normalize" our relations with GS... helping them generally catch up, so that we have a potential ally in case things go wrong and GoW & ND start looking in our direction. If elected, I will focus primarily on two things: a) to further strenghten friendly relations with our current allies by looking for ways to provide them with valuable help... that will cost us as little as possible, though b) to keep our relations with GS as long-term-grudge-free as possible, so that they do not "shut the door" permanently, becoming our enemies for the rest of the game. As for the means... you know'em all. You've read dozens of chatlogs and helped me to polish dozens of diplomatic notes to other teams... I would keep doing thing pretty much the same way as until now. If you believe that what I have done as the FAM so far was fine and if you believe that what I suggest above is the way to go, I will be honoured to get your votes and serve another term. Thank you, vondrack

	10-11-2003 14:51									#5
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Nimitz? Do you have a vision on Legoland's foreign policy?

I'd be nice to hear both sides

	11-11-2003 04:38									#6
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I do, just give me a little while to get it together and also don't expect it to be as good as vondrack as I am not very good a speeches.

	11-11-2003 11:46									#7
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Isn't a FAM supposed to be good at speeches?

Anyway, most of people have voted already.

	11-11-2003 14:29									#8
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Nimitz, was your chat with GS last night an example of how you intend to run our foreign affairs? Like acting on your own, not consulting with the team, not letting others know what you are going to do?

He?

	11-11-2003 15:53									#9
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Don't blame Nimitz - it was me that arranged the chat because several of us had requested a chat with GS for quite some time now and a certain FAM had seemed to do nothing about it... I just invited whoever was online at the time to join us.

	11-11-2003 16:08									#10
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Since when has that stopped rival politicians blaming each other

	11-11-2003 16:22									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe Don't blame Nimitz - it was me that arranged the chat because several of us had requested a chat with GS for quite some time now and a certain FAM had seemed to do nothing about it... I just invited whoever was online at the time to join us.

Cool. So I assume it was an EMERGENCY CHAT dealing with an EMERGENCY SITUATION, am I right? Because otherwise, I'd suppose you would propose a chat I could at least try to attend to. It was YOU asking GS for the chat, so it was YOU proposing the date and time.

May I ask you AGAIN what it was you wanted to tell GS and what it was you did manage to tell them that called for this "emergency" chat? Can you list the stuff they were told they were not aware of? Did we really want to tell them that stuff?

Perhaps if I did not chat with them it was because there was nothing to tell them, eh? There was actually only ONE thing we needed to tell them - that our sole goal is to prevent them from gaining ground on Bob. That there is no hostility going beyond this. But you somehow failed to tell them...

	11-11-2003 21:08									#12
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Bother... are we going to end in a tie again? If any of you lurkers are reading this and haven't voted, now would be a good time to do so

	11-11-2003 21:17									#13
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We either need a President again, or a new rule for tie breaks.

	11-11-2003 21:42									#14
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Yes, well is Kloreep Back if not his vote can break the tie?

	11-11-2003 21:53									#15
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Kloreep is not back yet as far as I know. I guess he will be the tiebreaker. No pressure

	12-11-2003 04:52									#16
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Why was "obstain" include?

Oh I see , if not for "obstain" Kloreep would not be the tiebreaker.

	12-11-2003 14:18									#17
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Unless he also abstains of course, which wouldn't be surprising as I'm sure he might want a 'secret' vote....

	12-11-2003 16:57									#18
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tie broken i think

	12-11-2003 22:41									#19
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Just a question, but, uh, why is there no time limit on this election?

	12-11-2003 23:14									#20
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Because Sharpe posted the poll incorrectly.

He had a noble intention (to allow for Kloreep to vote, too, after he comes back), but technically, the poll is not according to the Constitution (as the polls are not supposed to wait for those that do not make it in time).

But then, our Constitution is not respected in more than one aspect anyway and we have no problem with that.

I have no problem with considering this poll valid, as long as Kloreep votes (because that was the reason for posting a poll with no time limit).

	13-11-2003 04:38									#21
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Yup, I wonder when he will be back.

	14-11-2003 08:56									#22
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Wow. Quite an explosion while I was gone. I haven't read through everything yet; I'll vote ASAP, but I have some things I need to get done tonight.

	15-11-2003 08:59									#23
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Okay, you can all throw bananas now.

I think FAM might be better split with an ambassadorship or two though. Vondrack seems to have developed something of a rapport with GoW and ND in the alliance chats, so I think it would be best if he continued doing them and perhaps be their contact for other things as well.

	15-11-2003 15:54									#24
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Well Nimitz, congratulations!

For 2 months you are our FAM.

	16-11-2003 08:44									#25
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Well thank you very much, my first item to do as the new FAM is to apoint Nuclear Master as my deputy FAM if he will accept.

	16-11-2003 13:15									#26
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Cool.

Could you or your newly appointed deputy start working on the chat with GS, please?

	16-11-2003 16:27									#27
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Hmmm, things have got slow on the diplomatic front?

	16-11-2003 21:06									#28
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Cool. Could you or your newly appointed deputy start working on the chat with GS, please?

As in a new one or fixing the current one? Oh and untill he says yes or no I'm not going to make him do anything. Oh and Vondrack if you wish to keep hadling contact with GoW and ND during the war and the settling there of I'd like you to conitue to.

	16-11-2003 21:19									#29
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A new one fixing the previous one. The one discussed in the GS diplo thread.

I will gladly continue handling GoW & ND.

	16-11-2003 21:39									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Nimitz As in a new one or fixing the current one? Oh and untill he says yes or no I'm not going to make him do anything. Oh and Vondrack if you wish to keep hadling contact with GoW and ND during the war and the settling there of I'd like you to conitue to.

Has there ever been more compelling evidence for NOT having any 'official' posts..?