10-11-2003 00:42									#1
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We have by far the greatest and best equiped army on this planet

With close to 60 cavalry soon your MoW feels we have enough horses to feed.

While they are good for the attack on the Greek core due to their 2 moves I dont see the added vallue on our German front where we attack with railroads anyway.

I therefore proposes to switch from cavalry to cannons after the next batch is build.
(Same attackpower, 1 move less at 2/3 the price )

Another thing is I feel we need some more alpines, not only are they our best scouting units (They dont get killed as often as dips and they have 3 moves anywhere ) but they are also our best defence units.
We currently have 5 with another 2 in production, I would suggest another 5-10 be build asap for scouting duties in the Greek and middle lands.

* atawa Minister of War

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	10-11-2003 01:34									#2
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The greatest Napoleon’s secret was his ability to coordinate perfectly the movement of his cavalry, infantry and artillery and to use his troops to the maximum extent of their capabilities. That is how he performed miracles like the victory at Austerlitz where he was outnumbered three to one.
Our Supreme Military Commander seems to show the same keen understanding of the principles of warfare and the implementation of combined arms coupled with the most efficient use of particular types of units. His many victories stand as proof of his abilities and we should trust him on this one and support his ideas related to the type of armed forces we need the most, for he alone knows best how to use them for our common benefit.

	10-11-2003 06:54									#3
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I voted for Calvary, since I don't see the point of cannons, since calvary have 2x as many movement points. We can use them twice in battle.

Once we hit 60 calvary then we can start building cannons to replace our losses.

Alpines are an excellent unit, the problem is finding the cities to build them, since to be useful they have to be on our front, and our front cities have had other concerns.

	10-11-2003 16:46									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I voted for Calvary, since I don't see the point of cannons, since calvary have 2x as many movement points. We can use them twice in battle.

The problem with this is that after the first attack our cavalry are usualy so far in the red that we can only use them to walk into undefended city's ('If' they even have a second move left), and as we're attacking Germans and most of Greeks with railroads we realy dont need the second move.

Seeing that for the same quality unit we're paying 50% more I say switch to cannons.
We have enough cavalry to take out any city that we cant reach by RR.

quote: Alpines are an excellent unit, the problem is finding the cities to build them, since to be useful they have to be on our front, and our front cities have had other concerns.

Just build them in any city connected by railroad

	10-11-2003 17:47									#5
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Q: If our Cavalry end up Far Infra Red, how will our cannons end up? they only have 1 defense while the Cavalry have 3.

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	10-11-2003 18:39									#6
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A: Doesnt realy matter becouse we're not defending with them.

	10-11-2003 19:03									#7
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Voted for Cavalry... it's just an extra 50 g; the added attack and better defense seems worth it.

	10-11-2003 19:15									#8
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Seems not because we are never going to use either the added attack or the defence.

It appears atawa we're losing this one again. I need you to promise something. Promise you are going to poll this one again in a week and after that again and again and again until we educate the people enough to see the truth: Canon is superior compared to cavalry in our position.

	10-11-2003 19:40									#9
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Off course the people can vote whatever they like, only thing it means is we will only have 66% the attacking units, slowing us down considderably.

* atawa not sure anymore if he is the right man for the job

	10-11-2003 21:55									#10
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Let us keep roughly even numbers of Cavalry and Cannons available so that local tactical opportunities can best be taken advantage of. When I voted for Cavalry, we had more Cannons than Cavalry and it appeared the extra moves and the defensive advantage outweighed the cost. Now we have more Cavalry and our highly aggressive RR construction has decreased the value of open-field mobility.

And since Alpines move along RR just fine, keep building those, too.

	10-11-2003 22:54									#11
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If I may attempt to agree with both our President and Minister of War on the subject of Alpine Troops I think we should go ahead and produce them either in the cities on the front, or in cities along the Railroad network (as I suggested in my last city planner report, I will again suggest the commission of 5-10 Alpine troops as that seems to be the will of the people).

Ben's point that alpine troops can only be built in the front line cities is true in that the area we want to uncover is on the front (where there are no railroads). atawa wants to build them in cities with the rail connection, and while it would take them a while to get to the front (because of no railroads) I think it is necessary to do so, and after all the basic advantage of Alpine Troops is their ability to get where they are going quickly, so the lack of roads/railroads should be almost a non-factor.

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p.s. As for the Cannons/Calvary, I voted for Cannons (which tied it up), more because I don't wish to see this repolled week after week as lcjvetko suggests. The advantages/disadvantages of both are almost negligible in my opinion.

	11-11-2003 05:18									#12
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Far be it from me, a mere servant with no access to the save, to distrust the opinion of the SMC, in a position that has brought the Imperium much glory.

Cannons it is.

	11-11-2003 05:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ljcvetko Seems not because we are never going to use either the added attack or the defence. It appears atawa we're losing this one again. I need you to promise something. Promise you are going to poll this one again in a week and after that again and again and again until we educate the people enough to see the truth: Canon is superior compared to cavalry in our position.

	11-11-2003 06:44									#14
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Given our RR and non RR locations and requirements, I think we should indeed re-visit this question after each session. It's not a settled question that can be answered only way with certainty for all the game.

	11-11-2003 08:51									#15
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quote: Just build them in any city connected by railroad

Most of the unexplored areas involve cities not connected by railroad to the rest of the imperium.

I just want to get our calvary up to snuff before building the cannons, just so that we have the flexibility accorded from the extra move.

Here is my general tactical deploment:

1. Cannons to wound the garrison.
2. Calvary to mop up.

Now the Calvary having the same punch can do the first part, as well as the second, but the cannons cannot mop up with nearly the efficiency of the calvary.

So our first priority ought to be the calvary, followed by the cannons.

	11-11-2003 08:58									#16
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The unexplored area's lie in the current Greek and German core's, we can get units to the front either through Hannover or Issus, both are connected to the RR system, meaning we can now move all our army's from and to each front

And with the former American riverdelta close to being connected we have basicly unlimited movement

Since the Greeks and Germans are building alpines our win ratio will go down a bit, if the first unit attacking is going to die anyway we might as well build cannons and throw them against our enemy's.