10-11-2003 23:16									#1
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Okay...

Let's confirm some information on the new civs for all of us who don't have Conquests yet.

What are the capitals for the new civs?

My assumptions are:

Byzantines: Constantinople
Dutch: Amsterdam
Portuguese: Lisbon
Incans: Cuzco
Mayans: Tikal or Chichen Itza
Hittites: Hattusas
Sumerians: Uruk
*Austrians: Vienna

	10-11-2003 23:23									#2
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From the Editor for Epic Game, and Napoleonic Europe (for Austria):

Byzantines: Constantinople
Netherlands: Amsterdam
Portugal: Lisbon
Inca: Cuzco
Maya: Chichén Itza
Hittites: Hattusas
Sumeria: Ur
*Austria: Vienna

	10-11-2003 23:30									#3
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quote: Originally posted by kring Byzantines: Constantinople Netherlands: Amsterdam Portugal: Lisbon Inca: Cuzco Maya: Chichén Itza Hittites: Hattusas Sumeria: Ur *Austria: Vienna

Aha! Very interesting. My only objections are to the Sumerians' and Mayans'.

Sumerians

You see, Gilgamesh's seat of power was Uruk, Ur being a very important coastal port and the home of Abraham, but not the capital of Sumer, as far as I can tell.

Mayans

Chichen Itza was a very important Mayan metropolis, but I was under the impression that the capital was at Tikal. Perhaps I am misinformed.

The others appear to be correct. What do all of you think?

	10-11-2003 23:53									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 *Austrians: Vienna

Correct.

	11-11-2003 00:24									#5
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I don't think the Mayans actually had a capitOl. They just had several major cities. I would have picked Tikal, though. Because Chitzen-Itza was built later on during their history.

	11-11-2003 00:50									#6
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Thanks for the information.

What are everybody else's thoughts?

	11-11-2003 00:55									#7
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I also thinked Tikal must be the capital for the Mayans. I'll ask for this to some Mexican friends, they must knew about this better than me.

An the another ones.. correct! .. Specially my beloved Cuzco (did you know that Cuzco also could be written like "Cusco" or in Quecha - the inca's language - "Qosco" ?? )

	11-11-2003 00:55									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 What are everybody else's thoughts?

http://www.historyamericas.com/ Tik...0781808537.html

quote: I don't think the Mayans actually had a capitOl.

capitol
capital

	11-11-2003 00:59									#9
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Very good work. Excellent research, all! Keep up the good work.

	11-11-2003 01:10									#10
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The Sumerians were never an empire. They were indepenant City-States. The closest you could come to calling their capital would be the most important city. Babylon was the unquestioned leader of Babylon, Ashur was the top city of Assyria. But Sumer was different.

While we're on the subject, someone want to list the cities for Babylon and Sumeria?

	11-11-2003 01:28									#11
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That's true enough. I always did think they should have included Assyria instead. But no matter. I'm content with Sumeria.

	11-11-2003 02:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Thanks for the information. What are everybody else's thoughts?

Vanilla Coke tastes bad.
My girlfriend looked really hot yesterday.
The Eagles will win MNF tonight vs. Packers.

That's about it off the top of my head.....

	11-11-2003 02:26									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV The Sumerians were never an empire. They were indepenant City-States. The closest you could come to calling their capital would be the most important city. Babylon was the unquestioned leader of Babylon, Ashur was the top city of Assyria. But Sumer was different. While we're on the subject, someone want to list the cities for Babylon and Sumeria?

More or less. There was a unified "Sumerian" empire of sorts when Sargon I of Akkad created his empire, but since he was Akkadian, it's not really considered a "Sumerian" empire (though that seems to be quibbling, IMO).

Regardless, I think that the original poster was thinking that since Gilgamesh is the Sumerian leader, and he was king of Uruk, the capital should logically be Uruk.

However, Ur is regarded as the first city, so I see the logic of making it the capital. I think, if anything, they should have rethought making Gilgamesh the civ leader. Alulim might have been better, though he is only known through mythology (but since he supposedly ruled 28,800 years, he'd be a good choice for Civ!). He was king of Eridu. The first king of Ur on record is Mesannepadda.

I still think it should have been Sargon, because he was Mesopotamia's number one ****-kicker for a long time, and his name is cool.

	11-11-2003 02:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Feephi Vanilla Coke tastes bad.

I like Vanilla Coke

quote: My girlfriend looked really hot yesterday.

Pictures?

quote: The Eagles will win MNF tonight vs. Packers.

E-A-G-L-E-S
Eagles!!!

	11-11-2003 02:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov More or less. There was a unified "Sumerian" empire of sorts when Sargon I of Akkad created his empire, but since he was Akkadian, it's not really considered a "Sumerian" empire (though that seems to be quibbling, IMO). Regardless, I think that the original poster was thinking that since Gilgamesh is the Sumerian leader, and he was king of Uruk, the capital should logically be Uruk. However, Ur is regarded as the first city, so I see the logic of making it the capital. I think, if anything, they should have rethought making Gilgamesh the civ leader. Alulim might have been better, though he is only known through mythology (but since he supposedly ruled 28,800 years, he'd be a good choice for Civ!). He was king of Eridu. The first king of Ur on record is Mesannepadda. I still think it should have been Sargon, because he was Mesopotamia's number one ****-kicker for a long time, and his name is cool.

Since Akkad is right next to Babylon, he'd be a better candidate for the Babylonians.

	11-11-2003 02:37									#16
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quote: Dutch: Amsterdam

what other cities can they build?

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quote: Originally posted by Feephi Vanilla Coke tastes bad. My girlfriend looked really hot yesterday. The Eagles will win MNF tonight vs. Packers. That's about it off the top of my head.....

Somebody's padding his post count to make Prince!

	11-11-2003 02:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Feephi Vanilla Coke tastes bad. My girlfriend looked really hot yesterday. The Eagles will win MNF tonight vs. Packers. That's about it off the top of my head.....

Thanks for the laugh. That was funny.

	11-11-2003 02:49									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV Since Akkad is right next to Babylon, he'd be a better candidate for the Babylonians.

Akkad (or Agade) predates Babylon by many, many centuries. It was a Sumerian city-state and its lineage of kings is given in the ancient Sumerian texts. It wasn't a Babylonian city.

	11-11-2003 03:11									#20
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So when it came down to it, was it to be Sumeria, "the first civilization, " or Akkadia , "the first empire" that was to be included in the new expansion?

It looks like old Sargon of Akkad didn't conquer the Sumerians this time.

I don't think Sargon would be good as a leader for Sumer or Babylon. He'd be best as the leader of his own culture, the Akkadians. Although, if any subsequent Mesopotamian culture were Sargon's heirs, it would have to be the Assyrians.

In example, we have the Assyrian King Sargon II, without any antecedent of the same name.

Give us Assyria!

	11-11-2003 03:41									#21
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I'd prefer Assyria over the Hittites.

	11-11-2003 03:54									#22
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I'd prefer Assyria over the Sumerians.

The Hittites had a very influential position.

Sargon the first isn't Assyrian (although the Argade (Old Akkadian) Empire did conquer the region). Since Civ3 doesn't add generations (Cleopatra, not Cleopatra VII) Sargon II would be confused for Sargon of Akkad. Tigleth-Pileser (I don't think I spelled that right), Ashurnasirpal, or Ashurbanipal would make good leader choices.

	11-11-2003 04:46									#23
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No, Sargon I (of Akkad) isn't Assyrian. My point was only that his "heirs" to the suzerainty of northern Mesopotamia were the Assyrians, and that this is refelected in their monarch, Sargon II.

And no, Sargon II would not be the ideal choice for an Assyrian Civ3 leader, especially when compared with Assurnasirpal, Assurbanipal, Tiglath-Pileser, or perhaps the likes of Sennacherib or Shalmaneser.

My personal choice would be Tiglath-Pileser -- the quintessential Assyrian sovereign.

	11-11-2003 04:53									#24
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I'd have to agree, but this is getting off-topic

	11-11-2003 04:57									#25
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Well, since I started this thread anyway, i'm not terribly concerned...

	11-11-2003 05:36									#26
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I saw "lol" for a barbarian city. Is that new?

	11-11-2003 06:11									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV Pictures?

Here you go:
http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HQ/HZ...SGLEZBKCBPF.jpg

...I actually know the guy who started that site (actually, I'm not sure if that's something I should admit ... )

	13-11-2003 00:33									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Somebody's padding his post count to make Prince!

Know what really sucks? I thought I automatically got to choose custom avatar at Prince (300 posts). I just found out that I have to wait until 500...

	13-11-2003 04:48									#29
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Don't worry Feephi, the avatars are often disabled anyway.

	17-11-2003 23:12									#30
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So how do you find out how many posts you've made anyway?