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german


Tee hee

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no, they don't. i'd have to say the best rail system is either german or japanese.


True dat.

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come on... at least germans have enough taste not to color their fastest train puke orange...

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After some coolheaded amateur research I concluded that bashing France as the eternal military loser is wrong. They had their ups, and they had their downs. As did UK, Germany, Russia and USA.

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saras, since when is cool-headed research appreciated on there forums! bad!

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They build gorgeous automobiles. That alone gives them high marks in my book.

I'm betting that the culture that created French baroque music has more gems in store for us.

Viva la France!

- mindseye, who intentionally moved to an apartment next to a Carrefour, so he can enjoy a steady supply of freshy-baked french bread

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france, lovely place, shame about the people

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no, they don't. i'd have to say the best rail system is either german or japanese.


Have you actually tried to travel by train in Germany?

Their entire rail network was built before, during or just after the war, and in my opinion it's starting to show a lot.
Not that I've tried the French or Japanese trains but I doubt saying the German's have the best rail system in the world is correct.

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I see the french at something of a crossroads, for the last 2-3 decades they have dominated the EU and have molded its future(with the agreement of the Germans) However with the accesion of the new countries and the fact that other larger nations like Spain and Italy no longer always go along with the French view means that the futirre direction of the EU may not be in the way the French want. This could mean that the French become increasinly eurosceptic and may seek to stop any further plans to bring foreign and defence policies together if it seems that that area of policy will not be "Francophone"

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Seeing as their is contemplation for a state merger of France and Germany which would create the definite nucleus for further EU integration building on the pre-existing Paris-Berlin axis, no I find that hard to believe.

Also Italy = Berlusconi. Need I say more?
As for Spain, check the opinion polls and you'll see that the Aznar aftermath will be just that, an aftermath.

The new EU countries are gagging for it (the EU) and they have already been slapped (except Cyprus) for not doing the preparations quick enough.

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Their entire rail network was built before, during or just after the war, and in my opinion it's starting to show a lot.
Not that I've tried the French or Japanese trains but I doubt saying the German's have the best rail system in the world is correct.

the one time i did ride it, it was precisely on time.
haven't ridden the french one, but when you're used to amtrak, anything's better.

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Not that I've tried the French or Japanese trains but I doubt saying the German's have the best rail system in the world is correct.


You're right, the best rail system is the swiss one

As for the french, I don't think it's a terminal decline, if they take the right decisions:

- Decentralization
- Abort the 35 hours law
- Reduce the taxes
- Better urbanisation (it can't be worse anyway)

Oh, and they must understand that they're not a superpower anymore.

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Seeing as their is contemplation for a state merger of France and Germany which would create the definite nucleus for further EU integration building on the pre-existing Paris-Berlin axis, no I find that hard to believe.

Also Italy = Berlusconi. Need I say more?
As for Spain, check the opinion polls and you'll see that the Aznar aftermath will be just that, an aftermath.

The new EU countries are gagging for it (the EU) and they have already been slapped (except Cyprus) for not doing the preparations quick enough.


Surprisingly I wasn't having ago at the French or the EU.

I was just saying that the accesion countires may cause a change in the dynamic of the EU which could result in the French not being as happy with the direction it is going in.

Berlusconi is clearly a clown, however that doesn't mean Italy is not going to start to assert itself even when he has gone.

I thought that in Spain that Aznar's party were likely to win

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You have to deguiltilize yourself. I'm not saying you have a "go" at anyone or that I care.
I'm just correcting your Murdoch preceptions if and when I see them.

You said that France is in "crossroads" I'm pointing out that there's a clear way. If a country is really at crossroads it's the UK and Turkey both of which have to decide what they want as Europe is advancing.

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Berlusconi is clearly a clown, however that doesn't mean Italy is not going to start to assert itself even when he has gone.


I doubt Italy feels the need to assert itself given that it has already done as most countries. One of the very few countries that seem to feel always victimized by "France" (TM) is the UK. Perhaps it's time to wonder why..
Perhaps you should see more closely how the EU operates and that there's no "Francish ghost" that moves the strings on its own but a collective supra national approach to decisions.

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I thought that in Spain that Aznar's party were likely to win

Aznar simply jumped at the wagon of the "Iraq" issue. I doubt there's ground to continue it. As for the elections, we'll see I admit noone knows.

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The only thing Murdoch papers (well the Sun) would say about the French would be that they were Onion munching cowards.

I don't think I said that, infact I thought I was reasonably balanced.

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LOL... Well if not saying that France is an onion munching coward is considered balanced in the UK... then well done

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Their entire rail network was built before, during or just after the war, and in my opinion it's starting to show a lot.


I donīt think that is correct. Maybe the net was built at that time, but it doesnīt mean they use exactly the same railways today, there is always a lot of reconstruction work, so many parts of the net are much newer. For example, the ICE (ICE 3)highspeed trains, capable of running at a max. speed of 330 km/h get often brand new railroads especially built for this purpose.

In Germany the "Bahn" is often criticized, but for international standards it is still very good IMO. I donīt use it often, but when I used it, all was fine. No idea if one can say it is the best, though.

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I agree with Stinger. As the EU grows their fate will be in the hands of a greater number of non-French people (i.e. Spain, Italy, Germany). The French may not always get things their way, since I see and hear that the French are sceptical about anything non-French that this may cause issues... Their future is shrouded.

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Their "fate" has always "been" in a far larger number of "non French people". As for despising anything than isn't French one would have to admit that this is not exactly "compatible" with going for a two state merger.

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I agree with Stinger. As the EU grows their fate will be in the hands of a greater number of non-French people (i.e. Spain, Italy, Germany).


Spain, Italy and Germay are already in...

It's Lithuania that's gonna dictate

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It's Lithuania that's gonna dictate


The Lithuania Oblast will make Russia proud

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Usually, powers which rise slowly, go down slowly as well - I doubt, France is close to an end. Maybe (and what I hope to come) it will merge with many other European states in some way or the other. But I don't think this would be a loss of French language, mentality, or customs (or any of the others).

Corsica isn't much of a problem, because they are more Italian than French anyway (Every good Corse will protest here, I suppose )

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Henrik, after having two trains on time of the last 14 I took (the rest was 10-20 min. late), I dare to doubt that. And they try to excuse this by slippery leaves on the rails - as if this was the very first autumn in Germany. Mehdorn

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Wow, I haven't had a late train in 4 months here.

 
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