11-11-2003 16:53									#1
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Look, I couldn't believe it, but GS is willing to discuss allowing us a beachhead.

Here is what I say.

We agree to their peace.

Get everyone together, and say we need 20 or so turns before we can attack ND.

Now, Lego, ND, and Vox all need in on this. During those 20 turns, ND gifts us our land and we get our payment for this war.

We ship a mighty stack of pillaging to our new beachhead. I am thinking plenty of riders and 10 or so muskets. More muskets the better.

Lego ships over a conquering force to Bob. We should allow Vox to ship over what they have to Estonia as well, to help defend the beachhead.

When it comes that GS thinks we are attacking ND, Lego and ND attack GS on southern Bob, our stack of pillaging heads right through RP and into the Heart of the GS. Remaining riders can begin breaking down RP and making any holes in blockades for the pillaging force.

With just 4 Riders in the stack of muskets, we could pillage 4 squares and have them all safely under the musket guard again.

I believe Lego will agree to this to remove both GS and RP from the game. I would suggest gifting all of estonia back to VOX, but that is because I think it would hurt GS more than simply taking them over and I'm a vindictive jerk. We can tell Lego that we will agree to a build off once this is done, even. That is what they want...meanwhile, Vox, ND, and us plan the Lego invasion like invisioned so long ago. Look, Vox even has a tiny beachhead...

GS is so keen on seeing a world pile on, by god let's give em one.

	11-11-2003 17:38									#2
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I would love it, but I dreadfully fear that we have a spy amongst us.


Quite a few turns back, I was confused with some of the troop movements by GS.
They were building roads directly at us, and sent a settler & SOD.
I thought they would claim the spice luxeries SW of Barcelona.
But they sent it directly west...straight on top of the saltpeter.

This was our first major battle with GS, we captured the cats and killed the settler.
I commented in our forum, that I thought it strange that they beelined for the saltpeter when they really should not know where it is.


In the chat, GS let it slip (intentional or not) that they know they have been screwed on the resources allocation.
They currently have a road right on top of the saltpeter, and I suspect a worker or a settler nearby, if they ever get the gunpowder tech. (Which they have demanded from us as a show of faith)


So... my concern is that someone has told that they do not have saltpeter...and worse still, they have provided
GS with a map, on where exactly on bob, there is a source.

If someone from Lego/Vox/ND/GoW is willing to do this, then I think that something like your plan, (although a grand idea), could never be kept secret.

	11-11-2003 18:44									#3
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I for one would not be at all surprised to learn Vox is playing both sides in the current affair. Providing said information. I know I would be in their position.

I think it is more than possible to keep it secret. The only ones we need worry about are Lego and Vox, IMO. I don't really think we have a rogue within either GoW or ND, though anything is possible.

For that matter, Vox doesn't NEED to be involved, I think they would LIKE to be, though. Vox will keep it secret as we are returning them to their homeland.

That leaves Lego.

Now gunpowder is their secret to give or not, frankly. I do feel that if we were to require a statement of secrecy, they would abide by it. The only REAL threat to the plan would be Lego raping ND when the war starts. I don't see their team doing that, frankly.

	11-11-2003 20:19									#4
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It would be great to see; however, I don't think Lego will be in on it. Remember they said all they want to see is GS off Bob. I don't imagine Vox would be really accepting of this idea even if it means getting Estonia back eventually (I could be wrong...).