12-11-2003 04:07									#1
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Hi there!

I'll be frank and to the point.
I am currently making a set of maps for Bitterfrost ToT, but also for Dictator 3 ToT!

I need help from any bored or enthusiastic posters in gathering city placement coordinates from a save file,

I have already listed the cities below, what I need is some helpful souls to take a civ list each,
and refer to the attached save file,
using 'V' button, the 'view mode' to place the cursor on each city get each of the tile co-ordinates.

This will speed the making of a WW2 ToT map by a huge degree.

Anybody game?

If so, I will post the save file...

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The Cities
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Third Reich
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Berlin -
Leipzig -
Hamburg -
Königsberg -
Frankfurt -
München -
Milano -
Rome -
Tirana -
Trieste -
Prague -
Stettin -
Tobruk -
Tripoli -
Trondheim -
Vienna -
Warsaw -
Amsterdam -
Bergen -
Breslau -
Copenhagen -
Danzig -
Hammerfest -
Helsinki -
Köln -
Narvik -
Oslo -
Brest -
Paris -
Lyon -
Marseille -
Perpignan -
Nantes -
Bordeaux -
Poznan -
Prague -
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USSR
--------
Moscow -
Leningrad -
West Stalingrad -
East Stalingrad -
Kiev -
Minsk -
Odessa -
Omsk -
Orenburg -
Orsk -
Petropavlovsk -
Sevastopol -
Tblisi -
Pskov -
Riga -
Rostov -
Saratov -
Tallinn -
Ufa -
Vladivostok -
Vologda -
Yakutsk -
Yekaterinburg -
Alma Ata -
Arkhangelsk -
Astrakhan -
Baku -
Chelyabinsk -
Guryev -
Irkutsk -
Kazan -
Khabarovsk -
Kharkov -
Kiev -
Krasnodar -
Krasnovodsk -
Krasnoyarsk -
Kursk -
Magadan -
Murmansk -
Novgorod -
--------
USA
--------
Washington DC -
New York -
Boston -
Philadelphia -
Atlanta -
Chicago -
Seattle -
San Francisco -
Miami -
Houston -
Buffalo -
St-Louis -
Saipan -
Salt Lake City -
San Juan -
Tallahassee -
Wake -
Anchorage -
Bismarck -
Davao -
Guam -
Honolulu -
Detroit -
New Orleans -
Denver -
Dallas -
Los Angeles -
San Diego -
Phoenix -
Minneapolis -
Pittsburgh -
Manila -
Midway -
Panama -
Portland -
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British Allies
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London -
Plymouth -
Glasgow -
Belfast -
Luanda -
Madras -
Mandalay -
Mecca -
Melbourne -
Montreal -
Nairobi -
Newcastle -
Perth -
Port Moresby -
Quebec -
Rabaul -
Rangoon -
Regina -
Salisbury -
Singapore -
Suez -
Sydney -
Thunder Bay -
Toronto -
Valletta -
Vancouver -
Walvis Bay -
Wellington -
Winnipeg -
Addis Abeba -
Adelaide -
Aden -
Alexandria -
Athens -
Baghdad -
Bandjarmasin -
Bangalore -
Batavia -
Bombay -
Brisbane -
Broome -
Brunei -
Cairo -
Calcutta -
Canberra -
Cape Town -
Cooktown -
Damascus -
Darwin -
Delhi -
Durban -
Frederikshab -
Georgetown -
Gibraltar -
Hong Kong -
Hyderabad -
Iraklion -
Jerusalem -
Johannesburg -
Karachi -
Kathmandu -
Khartoum -
Kuala Lumpur -
Lagos -
Lahore -
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Japanese Empire
--------
Tokyo -
Truk -
Amoy -
Aomori -
Changchung -
Chengdu -
Formosa -
Fuzhou -
Hakodate -
Hanoi -
Harbin -
Iwo Jima -
Karafuto -
Kyoto -
Mijsaki -
Nanjing -
Nunchang -
Okinawa -
Osaka -
Peking -
Qingdao -
Saigon -
Sapporo -
Sendai -
Seoul -
Shanghai -
Shenyang -
Shimonoseki -
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Neutral Allies
--------
Madrid -
Bangkok -
Barcelona -
Belem -
Buenos Aires -
Casablanca -
Dakar -
Havana -
Istanbul -
Izmir -
Lima -
Merida -
Mexico -
Monrovia -
Monterrey -
Montevideo -
Oran -
Padang -
Porto Alegre -
Recife -
Reikjavik -
Rio de Janeiro -
San Julian -
Santiago -
Santo Domingo -
Stockholm -
Tarfaya -
Tunis -
Algiers -
Ankara -
Arica -
Bahia Blanca -
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Eastern
--------
Budapest -
Belgrade -
Bucharest -
Baotou -
Baiyu -
Yinchuan -
Xining -
Xi'an -
Wuhan -
Turpan -
Tehran -
Shiraz -
Lanzhou -
Langchow -
Kunming -
Kashgar -
Kabul -
Guiyang -
Chengdu -
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	12-11-2003 07:28									#2
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If you post the save now, i might help with one of the smaller civs..

[edit:]

disconnecting now, but if by this weekend it isn't done, i'd be willing to do so.

Last edited by N35t0r on 12-11-2003 at 07:53

	12-11-2003 20:54									#3
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Cheers!

Here is the save.
If you are up for it, tell me which civ you are doing...

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/cu...ng/D3-Test2.sav

	13-11-2003 13:48									#4
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The Cities
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Third Reich
--------
Berlin - 138,58
Leipzig - 137,61
Hamburg - 136,56
Königsberg- 144,54
Frankfurt - 135,63
München - 137,65
Milano - 136,68
Rome - 137,71
Tirana - 142,70
Trieste - 139,67
Prague - 139,63
Stettin - 139,55
Tobruk - 146,84
Tripoli -138,84
Trondheim - 138,40
Vienna - 141,65
Warsaw - 146,58
Amsterdam - 133,57
Bergen - 135,45
Breslau - 141,61
Copenhagen -136,52
Danzig - 142,56
Hammerfest - 146,34
Helsinki - 146,44
Köln - 134,60
Narvik - 142,36
Oslo - 138,48
Brest - 127,61
Paris - 130,62
Lyon - 132,66
Marseille - 133,69
Perpignan - 130,70
Nantes - 128,64
Bordeaux - 128,68
Poznan - 143,59
Prague - 139,63
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USSR
--------
Moscow - 156,52
Leningrad - 150,44
West Stalingrad - 161,63
East Stalingrad - 164,62
Kiev - 153,59
Minsk - 151,55
Odessa - 151,63
Omsk - 185,55
Orenburg - 169,61
Orsk - 174,64
Petropavlovsk - 243,55
Sevastopol - 153,65
Tblisi - 159,71
Pskov - 151,51
Riga - 147,51
Rostov - 156,64
Saratov - 163,57
Tallinn - 148,48
Ufa - 170,54
Vladivostok - 221,69
Vologda - 157,47
Yakutsk - 219,49
Yekaterinburg - 177,51
Alma Ata - 176,72
Arkhangelsk - 157,41
Astrakhan - 164,66
Baku - 162,72
Chelyabinsk - 176,56
Guryev - 167,65
Irkutsk - 202,58
Kazan - 164,54
Khabarovsk - 223,59
Kharkov - 156,60
Krasnodar - 157,67
Krasnovodsk - 168,74
Krasnoyarsk - 194,54
Kursk - 156,56
Magadan - 237,47
Murmansk - 151,35
Novgorod - 161,51

NOTE

Novgorod is not Novgorod. It is Gorkiy.

OMISSION OF NOVOSIBIRSK
189,53
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USA
--------
Washington DC - 74,76
New York - 77,71
Boston - 79,67
Philadelphia - 75,73
Atlanta - 70,80
Chicago - 65,71
Seattle - 44,66
San Francisco - 43,77
Miami - 72,88
Houston - 60,86
Buffalo - 74,68
St-Louis - 64,74
Saipan - 247,103
Salt Lake City - 49,73
San Juan - 84,102
Tallahassee - 70,84
Wake - 262,100
Anchorage - 24,46
Bismarck - 56,66
Davao - 218,114
Guam - 244,108
Honolulu - 18,104
Detroit - 70,68
New Orleans - 64,84
Denver - 57,73
Dallas - 60,80
Los Angeles - 46,80
San Diego - 47,83
Phoenix - 52,80
Minneapolis - 62,66
Pittsburgh - 71,73
Manila - 214,106
Midway - 280,82
Panama - 73,113
Portland - 43,71


NOTES!

BISMARCK should be PIERRE

DALLAS should be OKLAHOMA CITY

ST. LOUIS should be at 65,77

NEED DUTCH HARBOUR AND ALEUTIAN CHAIN
--------
British Allies
--------
London - 128,56
Plymouth - 126,58
Glasgow - 126,50
Belfast - 124,54
Luanda - 138,32
Madras - 186,108
Mandalay - 197,97
Mecca - 159,97
Melbourne - 230,172
Montreal - 76,62
Nairobi - 155,125
Newcastle - 128,52
Perth - 211,163
Port Moresby - 233,135
Quebec - 79,61
Rabaul - 236,130
Rangoon - 197,103
Regina - 51,59
Salisbury - 146,150
Singapore - 202,120
Suez - 153,87
Sydney - 235,167
Thunder Bay - 66,62
Toronto - 72,64
Valletta - 139,77
Vancouver - 44,62
Walvis Bay - 141,157
Wellington - 252,172
Winnipeg - 56,60
Addis Abeba - 156,112
Adelaide - 227,165
Aden - 161,105
Alexandria - 149,87
Athens - 144,74
Baghdad - 160,80
Bandjarmasin - 209,125
Bangalore - 183,105
Batavia - 204,130
Bombay - 181,95
Brisbane - 236,160
Broome - 216,148
Brunei - 210,116
Cairo - 150,90
Calcutta - 192,94
Canberra - 232,168
Cape Town - 142,168
Cooktown - 231,143
Damascus - 156,82
Darwin - 223,139
Delhi - 184,88
Durban - 149,63
Frederikshab - 95,47
Georgetown - 86,116
Gibraltar - 126,76
Hong Kong - 209,99
Hyderabad - 185,99
Iraklion - 146,78
Jerusalem - 155,85
Johannesburg - 148,58
Karachi - 176,90
Kathmandu - 192,88
Khartoum - 152,104
Kuala Lumpur - 201,117
Lagos - 133,117
Lahore - 180,82
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NOTES:

REGINA = CALGARY

WINNIPEG = REGINA.

Trust me, I'm a Canuck.

Addis Ababa

Banjarmasin needs to be neutral, under Dutch East India.

Same for Batavia

Brisbane needs to be moved to 233,153

SINGAPORE is an island!

Japanese Empire
--------
Tokyo - 228,78
Truk - 242,118
Amoy - 211,95
Aomori - 228,72
Changchung - 217,67
Chengdu - 209,81
Formosa - 214,96
Fuzhou - 213,91
Hakodate - 230,70
Hanoi - 203,99
Harbin - 219,63
Iwo Jima - 235,95
Karafuto - 229,65
Kyoto - 225,77
Mijsaki - 224,84
Nanjing - 212,84
Nunchang - 210,90
Okinawa - 221,89
Osaka - 226,80
Peking - 210,76
Qingdao - 214,80
Saigon - 204,112
Sapporo - 231,67
Sendai - 229,75
Seoul - 218,76
Shanghai - 214,86
Shenyang - 215,71
Shimonoseki - 223,81
--------
NOTES

SAIGON should be
at 205,109


Neutral Allies
--------
Madrid - 125,73
Bangkok - 201,109
Barcelona - 128,74
Belem - 92,124
Buenos Aires - 87,163
Casablanca - 124,82
Dakar - 118,106
Havana - 73,95
Istanbul - 150,70
Izmir - 149,75
Lima - 73,131
Merida - 66,98
Mexico - 61,101
Monrovia - 126,116
Monterrey - 59,93
Montevideo - 91,163
Oran - 129,79
Padang - 197,121
Porto Alegre - 95,153
Recife - 105,135
Reikjavik - 114,42
Rio de Janeiro - 101,147
San Julian - 82,180
Santiago - 80,162
Santo Domingo - 80,100
Stockholm - 141,45
Tarfaya - 119,89
Tunis - 136,78
Algiers - 132,78
Ankara - 152,72
Arica - 75,141
Bahia Blanca - 86,172
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OMISSIONS:

Caracas 80,112
Medellin 77,117
Quito 74,124
San Juan 68,108

ALL OF INDONESIA!
IMPORTANT FOR JAPANESE



Eastern
--------
Budapest - 144,64
Belgrade - 145,67
Bucharest - 148,66
Baotou - 206,74
Baiyu - 198,90
Yinchuan - 201,71
Xining - 197,75
Xi'an - 205,79
Wuhan - 207,87
Turpan - 194,68
Tehran - 166,80
Shiraz - 167,89
Lanzhou - 201,77
Langchow - 207,69
Kunming - 201,95
Kashgar - 189,69
Kabul - 175,79
Guiyang -205,93
Chengdu - 202,88


IF FRANCE HAS BEEN TAKEN, THAN BUDAPEST AND BUCHAREST ARE ALREADY PART OF THE REICH AFTER POLAND CAPTURED 1939.

I WOULD MOVE IRAN AND KABUL TO NEUTRAL ALLIES. SAME WITH BELGRADE AND RENAME Eastern AS CHINA.

	13-11-2003 14:51									#5
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Wow, awesome stuff, Ben!

You are truly Jedi material!

I will take your advice into consideration and make changes with the last rebuild of the scenario today!

And for putting in those co-ordinates: that's one I owe you, dude!

	13-11-2003 15:01									#6
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Ben, about adding cities:

This is sadly not possible, due to the maximum city limit being reached already!

I wish the Civ2 unit and city limit could be increased, but it is an impossible task!

	13-11-2003 15:33									#7
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About Budapest and Bucharest:

Oct 7, 1940 - German troops enter Romania.
Nov 20, 1940 - Hungary joins the Axis Powers.

As my scen begins in June 1940, these events have not came to pass...

	14-11-2003 14:13									#8
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Okay, here's my suggestion.

Kill the cities in S. America, and replace them with cities in Indonesia. They play a large role for the Japanese in WWII.

Why do you have the date start in July 1940?

	14-11-2003 15:10									#9
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I might remove one or two cities...

If you can give me some names and co-ordinates of cities in Indonesia...

	14-11-2003 15:11									#10
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The scenario begins in 1940, because that is the year the UK's future hung in the balance.

Always start with a climatic battle is my motto!

	16-11-2003 16:27									#11
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quote: Always start with a climatic battle is my motto!

I'd sugest that you don't go into the movie business then

	16-11-2003 22:40									#12
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I might go into the 'very quick movie' business!

	20-11-2003 09:05									#13
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Do you have CiC, Curtsibling?

If so, check out the East, Wind, Rain scenario, an excellent version of the Pacific War, and Japan's role in the Second World War.

I think this is an ambitious project, having both fronts. You really get to see the burdens of the British Empire, having to defend at home, and in Hong Kong.

If you don't have the scenario, I can send it to you.

Otherwise, I'm glad I could be of assistance.

	20-11-2003 13:44									#14
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Yep, I have played CIV since the beginning.

EWR was a fine scenario, but you will appreciate the problem of limited cities
and representing the more important European fronts and the Atlantic arena.

But I am willing to drop a few useless neutral cities to make allowance for any far east cities you think are really lacking...

	20-11-2003 23:15									#15
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Three cities for Argentina is way too much.. you should leave only Buenos Aires... Same for Brazil, maybe leave Rio and perhaps another city in the north...

	21-11-2003 00:14									#16
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That is noted!

	21-11-2003 01:09									#17
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And i would do the same for any other neutral cities... Just leave the cities there if they are really needed... (like Istambul..) as more historically importan cities will sure add to the game...

	21-11-2003 01:48									#18
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I am open to suggestions, also!

	22-11-2003 21:13									#19
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i dunno, i'd have to check...

and some more suggestions:

Give the engineers two movement... for what they cost, they are pretty crappy the way they are... I'd also suggest you put them in the engineer slot... they work waay to slow for my liking...


if you ever do a version 4, i'd suggest you use another map... the current one has tons of useless empty territory, like Antarctica and the Arctic, which could be stripped from the map in order to make the important parts larger (in fact, i'd even cut south america's southern tip and make the map south up to tasmania...). Also, i have a feeling that the Pacific is waay too large (and that hole where the bering strait should be )