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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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Mar 2002
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Science VS religion comes up on Apolyton alot, so I'd like to voice my pet peeve......


Stop saying "religion" when you mean "Christianity"-different religions have different views on the conflict........ Other religions have very different views on the nature of the world and the nature of God, and the conflict of Science and Theology. Since im not a Budhist or a Muslim or a Daoist or a Wiccan, it's obvious I'm going to give a different view.

Since im Jewish, yes I am giving the Jewish view.


The Book of Solomon is not in the Torah, but it is a widley accepted piece of scripture. It gives a message common throughout Judaism's history and can be found from hundreds of Jewish theologans.


Heres what it says:

God is too great for us to understand, right?

Since God is beyond us, how can we come to know him?

Since we cant understand him DIRECTLY, we can only understand him indirectly, through what he has made or does. I.e. the universe.

THUS wisdom is the most desirable attribute any person can have, because through wisdom one can understand the nature of the universe, and thus come as close as possible to understanding God.

I see no conflict of science and religion-Regardless of my current religious views, I have never, even when I was very young, seen any conflict between the 2.

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I pretty much agree with you. A God above the laws of nature cannot be found by those laws alone. But the existence of a creator should not be in question because of the nature of the creation. Wisdom is a gift from God. Without it one can only fiddle with the laws of physics his entire life and miss the whole point of existence.

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An old monk (now RIP) told me once in ancient greek in an old monastery outside of athens something which for some reason I'll always remember (no I'm not religious)
He said (roughly translated): "Before the wisdom of God all wisdom of Man is moronity"

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Hey, how dare you call my moronity less than nothing?

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How is that the Christian god is too great for us to understand directly but we can do it indirectly? A similar question is, starting from the basis of the obervable universe, how would you come up with the Christian god?

Christianity has been trying to meddle in science. We still have a bunch of fundamentalists trying to blindside others with Creationism. You are saying they are not in conflict?

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Christianity has been trying to meddle in science. We still have a bunch of fundamentalists trying to blindside others with Creationism. You are saying they are not in conflict?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-god.html

Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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How is that the Christian god is too great for us to understand directly but we can do it indirectly? A similar question is, starting from the basis of the obervable universe, how would you come up with the Christian god?

Christianity has been trying to meddle in science. We still have a bunch of fundamentalists trying to blindside others with Creationism. You are saying they are not in conflict?


I didnt say religions arent in conflict, I said some religions and science are not in conflict.

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