12-11-2003 22:32									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Can't wait for Infogrames and Microids to end like that too

Wait a minnit. Last time I checked, Microids had nothing to do with Atari. Have I missed something big? Or am I just stupid?

	12-11-2003 22:39									#32
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I'll remember MicroProse as the people that gave me some of my best gameing experiences

Yeah, it was like an automatic seal of approval on console games. I can think of a few I bought never having seen them before, but figured it had to be good. That philosophy worked almost every time.

	12-11-2003 23:08									#33
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Maybe MicroProse haven't made many good games lately, but their name should count for something... only few game developers from back then are still known today... and MicroProse is one of them

	12-11-2003 23:15									#34
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First of all Atari didn't close them down. Infogrames "wearing the Atari name" closed them down. Infrogrames only revived the Atari name because their own name has become synonomous with bug ridden software burned onto cheap cds.

Microprose the name will be revived after Infogrames has finished destroying the Atari name and needs another shell to hide under.

Never forget that "Atari" is just a costume that Infogrames is hiding under.

	12-11-2003 23:23									#35
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quote: Originally posted by vovan Wait a minnit. Last time I checked, Microids had nothing to do with Atari. Have I missed something big? Or am I just stupid?

I was also confused............Microids did the excellent adventure game Syberia, and I don't recall a link to Infogreed.

	13-11-2003 00:28									#36
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Sounds like what's happened to MacSoft...

	13-11-2003 00:40									#37
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The Microprose we knew disappeared a long time ago. There really wasn't anything left anyway. Those tears have been shed years ago.

	13-11-2003 00:52									#38
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I still have http://www.microprose.com in my favourites (bookmarks for the unfortunate users of non IE browser), but Microprose hasn't been there for quite some time now.

	13-11-2003 00:54									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us no more civ then?

Firaxis is still around, and hasnt been part of Microprose since they originally split away, IIUC. And IIUC all the Microprose people who were involved with Civ who were still at Atari/infogrames were in Firaxis.

So this doesnt seem like big news to me, since ive never bought a microprose game that wasnt either a Sid/Brian effort or (Civ:TOT) directly based on one. As long as Sid, Brian and their cohorts (Bruce Shelley, Jeff Briggs, Tim Train, etc) are in the biz, thats good enough for me.

	13-11-2003 00:55									#40
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and of course Firaxis is still in Hunt Valley, and, IIUC, so is BHG.

	13-11-2003 00:59									#41
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK The Microprose we knew disappeared a long time ago. There really wasn't anything left anyway. Those tears have been shed years ago.

Using the dead relative thing....It's like watching a relative slowly dying, and then suddenly having his worst enemy come in and shoot him in the...well.....until he dies.

Yeah, we still have Firaxis....but it can't escape the grasp of Infogrames.
Civ3..ptw...conquests....It will never end

	13-11-2003 01:54									#42
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boo hoo!

	13-11-2003 02:07									#43
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I was reading this comic strip by Rantz Hosely, who worked on MoO3, and I think it pretty much sums it up:

	13-11-2003 02:16									#44
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Atari is still Infogrames at heart.

But then again, Microprose wasn't doing anything, so...

	13-11-2003 03:07									#45
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cheer up, we have our memories of games that worked

	13-11-2003 05:45									#46
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This means the rights for MoM2 are floating around in an Atari office somewhere. Let's break in steal the rights and code it ourselves! Yeah!

-Jam

	13-11-2003 05:47									#47
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they should give up the code - its probably in a dumpster in hunt valley

	13-11-2003 07:16									#48
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Another good name destroyed by Infogreed.

Atari and now Microprose.

ACK!

	13-11-2003 09:21									#49
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life goes on

	13-11-2003 11:53									#50
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quote: Originally posted by vovan I was reading this comic strip by Rantz Hosely, who worked on MoO3, and I think it pretty much sums it up:

Does this mean that Rantz is no longer with QS....or does he do this comic beside his work at QS??

Asmodean

	13-11-2003 12:03									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Does this mean that Rantz is no longer with QS....or does he do this comic beside his work at QS??

This comic is a hobby of his, from what I understand. He still does work for pay, and I understand some of it comes from QS.

	13-11-2003 12:48									#52
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He's an ART DIRECTOR, that means he wouldn't know what "work" is if you hit him repeatedly over the head with it. He's probably just happy that money appears in his bank account every month and people like his pictures

[/lazy artist rant]

-Jam

	13-11-2003 14:13									#53
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Carolus

	13-11-2003 15:40									#54
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb First of all Atari didn't close them down. Infogrames "wearing the Atari name" closed them down. Infrogrames only revived the Atari name because their own name has become synonomous with bug ridden software burned onto cheap cds. Microprose the name will be revived after Infogrames has finished destroying the Atari name and needs another shell to hide under. Never forget that "Atari" is just a costume that Infogrames is hiding under.

now that's well spoken!!

and no, i'll never forget this lame trick.

	14-11-2003 00:08									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski He's an ART DIRECTOR, that means he wouldn't know what "work" is if you hit him repeatedly over the head with it. He's probably just happy that money appears in his bank account every month and people like his pictures

Well, I guess the pics are pretty nice after all. Otherwise he wouldn't have become an art director, now would he have?

	14-11-2003 11:28									#56
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Why not? Not like ability has anything to do with it, just look at InfogreedAtari.

Sometimes it just happens by a happy coincidence.

	14-11-2003 14:41									#57
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quote: Well, I guess the pics are pretty nice after all. Otherwise he wouldn't have become an art director, now would he have?

Right idea, wrong logic. If he's the art director, he's by definition a WORSE artist than the people he's directing. Who knows more about computers, the IT technician, or the company's IT director? Who's the better salesman, the one that goes and sells stuff, or the director of sales? I'd say this is the "Dilbert Principle" at work. Those that can, do. Those that can't... get promoted to a place where they can't do any harm.

-Jam

	14-11-2003 19:05									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Right idea, wrong logic. If he's the art director, he's by definition a WORSE artist than the people he's directing. Who knows more about computers, the IT technician, or the company's IT director? Who's the better salesman, the one that goes and sells stuff, or the director of sales? I'd say this is the "Dilbert Principle" at work. Those that can, do. Those that can't... get promoted to a place where they can't do any harm. -Jam

More formally, its called the Peter Principle - in a hierarchical organization, people tend to get promoted to their level of incompetence (since they cease to be promoted from that point)

This is to some degree a relic of an older time when corporations didnt routinely fire middle managers - these days that happens all the time, at least in the US.

Ideally a corporation should promote to, say art director, a good artist (NOT the best) but one who has skills at management (IE art direction). Per the Peter Principle, they promote the best artist, who may be a lousy manager, but who stays at that job anyway. Per the dilbert principle, they promote the worst artist.

	15-11-2003 08:05									#59
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I was playing MOO2 today, and one of the planets was "Atari".

Made me think of this thread.

ACK!

	15-11-2003 08:41									#60
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quote: More formally, its called the Peter Principle - in a hierarchical organization, people tend to get promoted to their level of incompetence (since they cease to be promoted from that point)

I think that the Dilbert principle -- the Peter principle uses competence instead of incompetence. It's less offensive to executive types that way.