30-12-2000 01:02									#1
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I need some help for my Chan Kuo/Warring States scenario. I readed Sun Pin's book in less then two days, and i found a lot of interesting things about force statements, units employements and tactics, but i still miss something important: a name!!!.
That's it, i still don't know Zhao/Chao king' name ( around 230 BC ) to set my scen background for good. Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks, Prometeus

Just found tha Wei King' name, Xinling/Shin-ling...


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	05-01-2001 00:36									#2
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No one can help me here?

	05-01-2001 01:05									#3
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I'll see what I can do.... My uncle should have this information, but I don't visit him very often....

	05-01-2001 05:46									#4
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Xinling was not the king of Wei but the king's brother. When Zhao was defeated by Chin and asked help from Wei, Xinling stole the king's 'tiger token' to dispatch Wei's army to rescue Zhao. He won but he could not return to Wei (until several years later) since the king of Wei was angry at him for stealing the token. Meanwhile in Zhao, Xinling stayed at the home of Pingyuan, who, like Xinling, was one of the four famous noblemen during that period.

I think you can use Pingyuan as the name of the Zhao country, since the king of Zhao was not as famous as him.

The four noblemen:

Xinling of Wei, Pingyuan of Zhao, Mongchang of Qi, and Chunshen of Chu.

	05-01-2001 15:45									#5
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Aaarghhh!!! Bufalo Bill told me an hoaxe!!! *sgrunt, snarl and roarghhh* Buffalo Bill, you liar!!!

Thanx for the info, Xin Yu!!! I found a lot about these princes!!! But i think i'll use only princes of Wei and Zhao, because:

1) The prince of Chu was defeated around in 293 BC (? date is unsure) by king Zhao of Qin, in a battle near Han river;

2) the prince of Qi was deprived of his own wealth by King Min of Qi, shortly after Song state's annextion by Qi in 286 BC; so he fled to Wei, and was hired as Gran Counselor ( tip requested: should I use it as a super diplomatic unit ?)

I reserved a place of honour to the last king of Qi ( usurper should be a better term, because he was not legitimate descendant of Lu Ya; his ancestors come for the long-time estinguished state of Chen, right? ). Hope the legend telled in "Big trouble in Little China" is true: after Qi was defeated by Qin, the Qi's last king was executed and King Yin Zheng cursed him to be an evil banshee for eternity...

PS Hope the infos i got from the net were right...
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