13-11-2003 06:33									#31
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croatia (and serbia of course )

	13-11-2003 06:33									#32
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It is rather distressing that the usually rabid British presses can be censored over something as ridiculous as Charlies little escapades. It doesn't surprise me that much though, as we've never heard much about the affairs that Bettie and Philip have undoubtedly had.

	13-11-2003 06:35									#33
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oh british press you know.

	13-11-2003 06:35									#34
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very good at some very very ****ed up man in others

	13-11-2003 06:36									#35
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I repeat the Government or Queen has no power to censor newspapers. Except for slander, where an injunction can be taken out. This is what happened.

Wether the Judge was biased by the fact that the Royal Family was backing the prosecution is another thing entirely.

	13-11-2003 06:37									#36
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get rid of your german queen already, the rest of europe has.

	13-11-2003 06:37									#37
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I think German tabloids are worse. They just make stories up. The princess of Sweden just won a case against one of those magazines IIRC

	13-11-2003 06:40									#38
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 get rid of your german queen already, the rest of europe has.

We've got two now.

	13-11-2003 06:41									#39
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My condolences scot.

	13-11-2003 06:42									#40
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We can't get rid of the monarchy! Constitutionally everything eminates from the Monarch.

The difference between Britain and every other democracy is that it is presumed that the Government has absolute power, and any written rights we have were gained at the expense of this Leviathan, like regular elections

A "Complete authority, except for these...." system

Wheras the other democracies are "only these powers, if the powers' aren't enumerated then they don't exist".

	13-11-2003 06:42									#41
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or thinking about it, not really , no

	13-11-2003 06:42									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil I repeat the Government or Queen has no power to censor newspapers. Except for slander, where an injunction can be taken out. This is what happened. Wether the Judge was biased by the fact that the Royal Family was backing the prosecution is another thing entirely.

Substance over form. Technically she has no power, but in real terms if this was anyone else the story would have run unhindered.

	13-11-2003 06:43									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil We can't get rid of the monarchy! Constitutionally everything eminates from the Monarch. The difference between Britain and every other democracy is that it is presumed that the Government has absolute power, and any written rights we have were gained at the expense of this Leviathan, like regular elections A "Complete authority, except for these...." system Wheras the other democracies are "only these powers, if the powers' aren't enumerated then they don't exist".

it's kitch isnt it? the queen? but also so british? i guess we all need fashion models? but someday it has to go? dont mind the french revolution.

	13-11-2003 06:44									#44
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quote: Substance over form. Technically she has no power, but in real terms if this was anyone else the story would have run unhindered.

Yes, absolutely. But those rascally Turkish subjects were talking about 'State censorship', not political pressure, which is undoubtably the case.

	13-11-2003 06:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil We can't get rid of the monarchy! Constitutionally everything eminates from the Monarch. The difference between Britain and every other democracy is that it is presumed that the Government has absolute power, and any written rights we have were gained at the expense of this Leviathan, like regular elections A "Complete authority, except for these...." system Wheras the other democracies are "only these powers, if the powers' aren't enumerated then they don't exist".

And we are mere subjects as opposed to citizens.

	13-11-2003 06:45									#46
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Those damn turkish subjects indeed. (no idea what it means)

	13-11-2003 06:47									#47
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POMS. In french it means apples. Better make them red.

	13-11-2003 06:50									#48
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(See my edit)

Yeah, its the hangover from never having a proper revolution. The Monarch hasn't refused a bill from Parliament since Queen Anne (the Ugly) in about 1707. However all power rests in them and the relationship between the two bodies.

The system is still that all bills have to get Royal assent, but it's so automatic that special comissionars do the assent. Technically the Monarch could refuse a law, or refuse to dissolve Parliament for a new election. In fact George V did refuse to dissolve parliament in 1924.... long story.

	13-11-2003 06:53									#49
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The country who gave birth to the sex pistols the clash not having a proper revolution... how sad then again if it did it maybe wouldn't have them! miden kakou amiges kalou (no bad is devoied of good)

any way queen, drags the tourists in. smile like the pope if you think about it my fellow anarchist

	13-11-2003 07:02									#50
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Its true, our civil war was a civilised affair. The parliamentarians won and decided that the Royals weren't all that bad and asked them to come back.

	13-11-2003 07:02									#51
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It would be good to change the system it's certainly gotten incrediably creaky --Parliament could ban elections if a majority of 1 voted for it, referendi have absolutely no official power. The worst problem is that the two party system causes huge swings in economic policy and cause nasty damage.

....However it's 'worked' for better or for worse so far. This amazing talking-shop called Parliament was strongly 'for the people' and 'liberal' long before anywhere else, even if it wasn't properly democratic.

Did you know that only 2 countries that started WW1 didn't have universal male sufferage, Britain and Hungary

The path to change seems to come from EU treaties and the like, since foreign treaties stand above domestic law and can't be abrogated without major problems.

So things like the European Human Rights Act has given us a sort of Constitution, but only through bizzarre 'Treaty Law'

	13-11-2003 07:06									#52
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civilized civil war? maybe you mean "failed" big crunch?
the fervor of the french revolution. where is it?
tranposmed to britisdh punk songs maybe? marginal but not national mainstream?

anyway, german queen good for abuse. now prince william abusing butlers. good tabloid stories.

	13-11-2003 07:10									#53
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basically, it's folkore. go to London go to soho (by mistake) see the queen.

same in beglium and sweden and holland.

in britain there wasnt the uprising of youth against the king (queen) as it was in beglium. LOL I was caught in the middle. old ladys saying "how sad" the only peaceful onew the belgian king found to salute was me and thats because i didnt know **** about what was going on.

anyway funny. old europe.

	13-11-2003 07:13									#54
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House of Windsor my ass. It's the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. They changed in during the war!

Yes, I say kill the Queen and the fascist regime. It made me a moron.

	13-11-2003 07:16									#55
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Oh, btw am I the only Westerner to know that's Alizee?

	13-11-2003 07:17									#56
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And Johnny Rotten smiles lol

(God im very drunk i should go to sleep)

	13-11-2003 23:14									#57
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Monk, the Courts seem to have power to stop papers from damaging the image of the Royalty.

You mean that damaging the image of the Royalty is a royal monopoly?

	14-11-2003 15:34									#58
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There's some bollocks being talked here.

The Royal family have nothing to do with this injunction. It was taken out by a former servant who did not want someone to report what he alledgedly told that person.

The Queen has no power, none, dada, zilch.

If and we are going into fantasy land here there was a hung parliament and all 3 parties got the same number of seats and wern't able to form a coalition its possible she would have to decide who was prime minister if the previous govt for some reason wasn't one of those 3 parties or didn't want to form a govt.

That is the only time the Queen would have power.

The prime minster carries out all the powers that the Queen theoreticaly has.

The last time a monarch thougth he had power over parliament he got deposed.

The Queen cannot refuse to dissolve a parliament, it is again a formality. Parliamnet is soverign in the UK.

Its a ****ed up complicated system but it doesn't involve the Queen having power over the courts.

	14-11-2003 15:44									#59
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What happened is that the papers were not CENSORED but were warned off printing the piece by the threat of heavy libel cases.

-Jam

	14-11-2003 15:54									#60
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I stand as a proud citizen of Finland, which press was picked to be the MOST FREE press in the WORLD this year. So, once again, the whole Europe this and that is completely wrong placing of words .

I don't know about the rest of you brainwashed censorship suffering people.. I like my papers free and fresh, and I get'em just I like want them.