13-11-2003 05:30									#1
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At least I didn't see a thread on this.

So, it seems that newspapers are being censored in England, and imported newspapers (like French) are being confiscated and destroyed.

This about some scandal with the Royalty, like anyone cares


I am not exactly outraged, if the Brits don't care about their paper being censored, why should I?

But it is strange, after all freedom of the press is worshipped in the west, and we always criticize the unfree countries.

But if you look closely, those countries also have freedom of press - if you don't touch the elites.

What happened here?

	13-11-2003 05:38									#2
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Well my dear croatian, AFAIK the british press (rampantly xenophobic as it is) doenst censor, the palace has trouble saying with which butler prince willliam did the wild thing.

as for european press and elites, yes DUUUUh which continent do you live in?

	13-11-2003 05:43									#3
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Although I have to admit, this is interesting:

quote: So, it seems that newspapers are being censored in England, and imported newspapers (like French) are being confiscated and destroyed.

elaborate.

	13-11-2003 05:43									#4
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as above

	13-11-2003 05:45									#5
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What is there to elaborate? I read in the paper that supreme court has forbidden the press to write about something, and that they confiscated the edition of Le Monde that arrived by train via the tunnel, but some were smuggled.

I ask is this different from any african dictatorship.

	13-11-2003 05:47									#6
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LOL. wait a fooking minuten, the brits confiscated Le Monde as it came off the train???


Link please my dear balkanian

	13-11-2003 05:49									#7
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Well you are from the Balkans too, I guess you don't have a grasp of what free press means. Not freedom to attack minorities like they can in Greece

	13-11-2003 05:52									#8
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They confiscated a shipment of a newspaper because the prince screwed a guy?

I'm tellin' ya, each time these royal fiascoes happens, it gets stranger and stranger.

	13-11-2003 05:52									#9
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Blah blah
when you're in a position to compare with Greece let me know, I'll be the first to celebrate.


Meanwhile,link please my fellow balkanian, it's not a bad word

	13-11-2003 05:56									#10
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The best I can find at the moment. It says "pulped" here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/st...1083009,00.html

	13-11-2003 05:59									#11
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Or from another site:

quote: "European press censored in England," was the verdict of France's Le Monde in a headline on its website, after its British distributor, fearful of legal action, refused to deliver the newspaper. The move followed some 15 European newspapers which carried reports on the alleged scandal, including France's Le Figaro, Italy's La Stampa and Spain's El Pais, being taken off British news stands on Saturday, Le Monde noted.

I don't speak French, or I could get it from Le Monde site.

	13-11-2003 05:59									#12
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That's much better. Thanks in serbo croatian and any other language. Nice thread.

	13-11-2003 06:04									#13
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the newpapers are afraid of being prosecuted. Le Monde wasn't confiscated, they pulped the 7000 papers ment for the UK themselves

	13-11-2003 06:04									#14
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I was hoping for responses from educated european masses and all I get is thanks from paiktis


Anyway, and I am not saying this for the North Sea oil, is it time to free the British people of their oppressive regime? Is it time to end this tyrany?

	13-11-2003 06:06									#15
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Gangerolf
Well obviously. Those sympathetic aglosaxon lemmings couldn't pulp what was meant for France. So it is only for their domestic market they banned. Still funny.

	13-11-2003 06:08									#16
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Hi VetLegion,

As for "freedom of press in Europe", there's a hell of a difference between various nations and their approach to most things so I'd be careful about applying whatever British/French/Bulgarian trends you hear about to Europe as a whole. Unless of course it's meant to reanimate the U.S vs. Europe nonsense that pops up occasionally.

In Britain, it seems the royals get some kind of say on what the papers print which is horrific to say the least but I can't imagine the queen has more than a formal right to censor the newspapers (if she does, somebody tell me right away) and as for the elite running the show, I think it's safe to say that's a worldwide phenomonen.

Germany doesn't have a royal family but the old traumas about Jews and WWII causes them to limit their freedom of speech and generally freak out every time somebody says something that doesn't fit the established view. So Nazi merchandise and stuff goes through places like Denmark, a country that has a law prohibiting racist speech in public but offers state support for the Nazi-driven radio station. Etc. etc.

	13-11-2003 06:09									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf the newpapers are afraid of being prosecuted. Le Monde wasn't confiscated, they pulped the 7000 papers ment for the UK themselves

True. I did mislead, but it wasn't intentional, I quoted a local paper.

	13-11-2003 06:10									#18
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion I was hoping for responses from educated european masses and all I get is thanks from paiktis

Spaciba!!!! C'meon how's thank you in serbocroatian? I want to know and thank you It's funny.

quote: Anyway, and I am not saying this for the North Sea oil, is it time to free the British people of their oppressive regime? Is it time to end this tyrany?

It's coming.

	13-11-2003 06:12									#19
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Monk,

I don't think it is the Queen, the Courts seem to have power to stop papers from damaging the image of the Royalty, or so I gather.

	13-11-2003 06:15									#20
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paiktis,

"Çok tesekkur ederim", works every time

	13-11-2003 06:19									#21
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion paiktis, "Çok tesekkur ederim", works every time

Yoho there my croatian struggling to rid yourself of your fascism/nationalinism and a decade of warfare pissing eachother and good luck, this sounds turkish and a bad word . What does HVALAhvahlah vahm mean then?

	13-11-2003 06:22									#22
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Well a judge found the piece libellous. No wonder, considering it's about a mentally troubled former servant claiming the prince is homo-gay and whatnot.

	13-11-2003 06:23									#23
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You just gave me an Idea! I think Turkish would be a great lingua franca for Balkans, after all, it was official in some countries for 400 years

Should I submit the proposal to EU?

	13-11-2003 06:25									#24
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1. The story has 'come out' now.

2. This is Britain. Where one of the state television channels has its own Gestapo.

	13-11-2003 06:26									#25
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Go ahead Although noone speaks turkish in greece. dont know about croatia, maybe

	13-11-2003 06:27									#26
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Newspaper aren't guilty if they simply transmit the story, weather it is true or false or whatever. At least I think so.

paiktis: In Croatian thank you is Hvala.

	13-11-2003 06:30									#27
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Aaaaahhhhh HVALA. serbo croatian though isnt it?
i say patato you say patato? c'meon you'll have to live together after all and you have the same langauge. WAAAAARM to eachother

Hvala, loipon gia to oraio thema sou (for your nice thread)

	13-11-2003 06:31									#28
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You are a master of the editing paiktis

And I thought to lay down arms...

Do you need phrases for "is the customer happy" and "come again please?"

	13-11-2003 06:32									#29
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We don't have any formal censorship system for printed material. old obscenity laws and so on have been completely abolished, thankfully.

Injunctions can be filed to stop an item going to print if a Judge considers it slanderous and a complaint is filed. It may or may not be the case that the Judge was sympathetic and biased to the Royal case. However they have no direct powers over them.

Of course the Government of the day can put pressure on the Newspapers/TV, but not 'legally' i/e using the law system. They can threaten reporters with libel, or denounce them in Parliament or refuse to deal with their agency, all of which I've seen in the business

Otherwise it's the conscience of private companies which is often sell-restricting/censoring. Some regional branches of the huge company WH-Smiths refuse to stock such shocking materials as FHM and Private Eye :x

	13-11-2003 06:33									#30
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Btw., there is no use discussing it, Greek school of Turkish is the oldest in the Balkans, and probably the best. All that testing.