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Well not direct descrimination against them per say-its indirect putting everyone else on a platform above them is the same thing.....
How long? Ever?
I'm really sick of being "the devil".
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Never. The Feminazis will continue to gain credibility because no one listens to them anyways and thus doesn't know of their sinister intentions...non-caucasians (rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?) can reap the rewards of being able to act like downtrodden minorities, even now when there is no significant discrimination and in the future when the situtation could likely pose no discrimination (against the non-caucasians) at all.
Men are in a slump. Not only have they given equality to all (a move I support  ! just looking at this statistically, though), but they have also given women a few advantages...feminazis demand more and more, and they're getting some of it too--again due to the sheer ignorance of their evil intentions, and because people don't think caucasian males can be discriminated against anyways.
You can look at things historically as well: Africans were brutally enslaved for hundreds of years and afterward segregated and mistreated for another hundred. It took centuries for slavery and segregation to be recognised as wrong. Likewise, it took another set of centuries for things against women (less education, less suffrage, more marginalisation, more beatings) to be recognised as wrong as well.
In addition, action against men has the added momentum that caucasian males have had the advantage of being the oppressor during all these times.
The prospect of men growing balls and leaving equality at equality and not at advantaged females+minorities has the chance of a meteor resembling Richard Nixon crashing into his grave site. (Nil.) Even if they do, they're not...male rights fighters, instead, they're pigs. When a minority group (or the majority group of females) bullshits caucasian males, it's not being an *******, but it's a feminist or a noted minority figure (or whatever) expressing his views.
Plus, men will still do anything to bait and hook a gal, so coming out and being an ******* (in the eyes of the females hes trying to catch) would be a disaster.
What's all of this rambling of mine add up to? Discrimination against men will not be treated as discrimination until after our lifetime.
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We don't. But I think Ves meant this:
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Right, because minorities can't discriminate |
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
When white males aren't controlling 90+% of the wealth of this country, 90+% of the political offices, 90+% of the corporate exec jobs, etc., then we'll have something to gripe about.
Until then, enjoy being on top.
*Lights cigar with $100 bill* |
The author of Dilbert has an interesting response to that complaint, here it is:
People say white men rule the world.... they seem to forget those are OTHER men.
1 in every 100,000 men have one of those jobs, 99.9999% of white men DONT have those jobs, statistically they are no better off then minority women in this respect.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
So those white men are in the same boat as everyone else, except for all the white men who happen to control all the wealth, power and have all the priviledge.
Boo-hoo. |
My point is Joe Average white male is in the same spot as Joe Average black female-except Joe Average white male can be descriminiated against, and black female cant. Because 1 in every 1000000 white men are a world leader dosent mean you should descriminate against the other 9999999
Big corporations are now eager to recruit a qualified minority over a qualified white male because they can show how much they embrace diversity...... from my own experience, I know the main reason I have gotten no college scholarship money is because im a white male-my grades are fantastic-yet I knew plenty of well-stupid minorities* who bragged to my face how they were going to good schools on big scholarships just because of their race. My school has alot of smart minorities and alot of smart white males however -there are people in my school(I am going to a prestigious school) who are not smart, and who are a minority-guess how they got here :?
*Not all minorities are stupid, just these SPECIFIC STUPID PEOPLE were also minorities.
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Ooh, personal testimonies! Let's see...
I work intimately in human resources as a career, and I can safely say that we've seen no decline in the number of able white males who are being hired at major corporations. Speculation that there is rampant discrimination against white men across corporations is simply that--speculation. Have any statistical evidence for your claims? White men still enjoy a strong advantage in employment, wages, etc., even in low end jobs. Men get paid more than women for the same jobs. They get paid more than minorities.
I'm as white as they come, Mr. whitey white, and I was offered several full scholarships to college. Not to ivy league schools, no--but schools that provide great educations nonetheless. I can't recall ever being discriminated against for being white except in a very few cases relating to sex (balanced by the overwhelmingly "superior" status of white guys among gays).
I certainly abhor discrimination of any kind, but I find the whinging that white men are somehow now the most oppressed group to be sickening. What it is, IMO, is white guys being upset at losing a priviledged position than anything else.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:32
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whats the deal with mixed people and affirmitive action?
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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quite a lot of stereotyping but let's create a hypothetical, typical white male... Joe Romano, an italian-descended white man from one of the blue collar italian/puerto rican/irish quarters of south philly. he lives in the same conditions as his neighbour, Hector Martinez. their families are of similiar background. hell, they look the same and on the street, people see Romano as hispanic as much as they see Martinez as hispanic.
is Hector suffering from racism that Joe is not? Does Hector live any wore than Joe? Does Joe have more privilige in the world than Hector?
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Vesayen
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"Have any statistical evidence for your claims?"
Statistical? Any statistics on this are biased, besides my own experience I can call upon the experiences of 20 other people I know easily.
I'm not even caucasian ironically, im an Ethiopian Jew-but I look caucassian lol(half polish).
"Men get paid more than women for the same jobs."
That really isnt the case anymore.
"They get paid more than minorities."
As a whole? Which jobs? Source?
SInce you demand my statistics, I'd like to see yours-I think the testimonies of dozens of people is good enough.
"and I was offered several full scholarships to college."
How long ago?
I certainly abhor discrimination of any kind, but I find the whinging that white men are somehow now the most oppressed group to be sickening."
They are the only group you can legally descriminate against so.....
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:32
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In the 19th century, the populist movement was immensely popular among the lower middle class and poor. When election time came around, though, poor whites refused to vote populist though they otherwise were all for the populist agenda. Why? because the populists supported black rights.
****ed up **** that we're still dealing with this today. racial division must stop if we are to progress as americans.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:32
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Originally posted by Vesayen
"Have any statistical evidence for your claims?"
Statistical? Any statistics on this are biased, besides my own experience I can call upon the experiences of 20 other people I know easily. |
And I can provide you with 100 testimonials of white guys who've had nothing but a breeze. I can also provide you with dozens of testimonials of minorities who are still discriminated against.
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"Men get paid more than women for the same jobs."
That really isnt the case anymore. |
Bullshit it isn't:
http://www.tutor2u.net/economics/co..._gender_gap.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=1955
The U.S. Census Bureau reported that across all industries, women only make 75% of what their male peers make. Has the gap narrowed? In some respects, but it isn't remotely closed, and it has widened in some fields.
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"They get paid more than minorities."
As a whole? Which jobs? Source?
SInce you demand my statistics, I'd like to see yours-I think the testimonies of dozens of people is good enough. |
As a whole, yes.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0882775.html
And it's funny you're demanding statistics of me when you've provided none. You claim they will all be biased--sounds like you're talking out of your posterior.
Testimonies of people is proof of nothing in terms of trends, this is basic knowledge. You need statistical support, not anecdotal. I can give you anecdotes that say anything. People can make up and/or exaggerate anecdotes.
"I didn't get the job because I'm white and they discriminate against whites!"
I wonder how many people say this enough so that they believe it? People get rejected from jobs all the time, and they like to think the worst of the reasons for it to make themselves feel better.
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"and I was offered several full scholarships to college."
How long ago? |
9 years ago, hardly coming prior to any watershed changes.
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They are the only group you can legally descriminate against so..... |
Which shows you're ignorant of reality. Find out more about legal discrimination, particularly among private entities. You'll find that you can legally discriminate against almost anyone. In New York state, where I work, you can fire someone on almost any grounds you like. Private companies can be 100% white, if they want. It ain't good PR, but it ain't illegal, either.
Now, hiring is a a little different, as there are laws about discrimination. But legally, whites are treated the same as everyone else. Nowhere does any law about discrimination make an exception for whites.
As a homosexual, I find that claim hysterical, since in all but a handful of states it's perfectly legal to discriminate against gays for housing, employment, etc.
Try again.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
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boris:
answer my questions concerning Joe and Hector
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13-11-2003 08:47
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