09-12-2000 10:48									#1
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Is there any possible way to hack the saved game file so that technologies that civs have can be removed in FW? Can this be done as an executable file for use with an events change? I'm back to the ideas stage and I was just wondering if this was possible....

	08-12-2000 23:59									#2
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I'd be very interested in this as well... There's probably A WAY to do it, if my brother managed to do it with the hideously organized Imperialism files... the question is... who WOULD do it?

	09-12-2000 20:57									#3
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Why not use the "edit technologies" in the cheat menu? I'm not sure why you'd want to do a hex edit. BTW it is possible to hex edit the technologies. The locations are shown in Allard's hex edit document.

	09-12-2000 21:01									#4
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I think he wants to remove techs during a scenario, so that a civ has a tech one turn but loses it the next, as is possible in ToT.

	09-12-2000 21:04									#5
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What was the result of the imperialism hacking? Did u manage to create a scenario or something?

	10-12-2000 11:05									#6
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Yeah, they did.

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	10-12-2000 11:33									#7
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By the way, there's also a program to switch around countries so that minor nations can be great powers. Do to imperialism engine, you need a main port on the sea to use ports, but my brother made a scenario where Spain replaces Sardinia and it starts out well enough. I haven't gotten around to uploading those however.

	03-01-2001 02:56									#8
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Anyhow, back to the original question, except with a small difference.

In ToT it is possible to set up a "chain" of events, which allow you to let the player choose to make a choice from the science menu, then have a result happen due to the player's actions, and remove the technology afterwards. I'm wondering if this is possible with FW. Could somebody edit the saved game file so that after a specific tech is researched, it is then removed from the civilization who researched it after events have given the affected Civilization something for researching this technology?

The order things would go in would be like this:

1) Civilization selects "Summon Beast" as next technology to research.

2) Civilization finishes researching "Summon Beast".

3) Events create x Beast units in the civilization's capital.

4) The technology "Summon Beast" is removed from the civilization who researched it, and bvecomes availble for research again.

Now my question is, can step 4 be done through hacking into the saved game file? Could it be done to only specific technologies?

If the answer is no, I'll have to change the scenario to use ToT instead.

	03-01-2001 03:29									#9
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The answer to #4 is "Theoretically Yes". That's because Allard's Hex Edit manual will be able to identify which bytes indicate that a particular tech is either being researched or is already known. So the data is there. And if it can be seen, it can be changed.

Now for the tough part. What kind of program can you write that will do this automatically, DURING the game? It will be easy enough to generate a text message that says something like "Salem Witches discover Beast Summoning! Save your game as X.sav, run program "Y" and restart."

The $64 question is, does anyone know how to write program "Y"?

	03-01-2001 03:51									#10
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Exiting the game, running the program and coming back wold be tedious, but still possible. During the game... is it even possible?

	04-01-2001 01:04									#12
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Yeah, except that you never told me how this would work.... And I think I've figured it out more or less... One small thing Darth, how did you make it so that certain things can't be built without enough money?

	04-01-2001 12:55									#14
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Actually I'm working on this at the moment... so once I figure out a system that works (I have a couple of ideas), I'll put up the first two parts of the scenario to my playtesters.

	05-01-2001 20:38									#15
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If you're thinking of the ChangeMoney action, it won't work. By it nature, ChangeMone will only bottom out at zero.... But knowing you, you've probably found an ingenious way around it.

Anyone up to the challenge of making prgram 'D'? (See Kull's post)

	08-01-2001 03:30									#16
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Now for the tough part. What kind of program can you write that will do this automatically, DURING the game? It will be easy enough to generate a text message that says something like "Salem Witches discover Beast Summoning! Save your game as X.sav, run program "Y" and restart."

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	10-01-2001 01:53									#17
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A program removing civ's technologies is very well makable, but as the location of these techs is variable, it would need some tough programming.

Using the source of Gothmog's utilities, however, it may be faster as most of the tough work has already been done by him.

Now on to Imperialism;

- Eternal, what is that program that toggles minor powers to major powers?

- I might decide to finish a little Napoleon scenario for Imp1. Anybody wants to help? (ahofelt@hotmail.com). Big problem that it is very very hard to change frontiers, so I gotta use Greece in 1800, and other states not yet existing.

	10-01-2001 06:02									#18
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One of the problems lie in the fact that my programming skills are restricted to simple messages, inputing numbers, mundane stuff. Thanks for the evaluation Allard. Anyone want to take a crack at this one?