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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
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Originally posted by Lorizael
Nah, humans just **** a lot. We're still quite self-destructive. Most animals have very little intra-species conflict. If it does exist then it's non-lethal dominance competitions or killing offspring of other males. Only in mammals that approach our intelligence (primates and such) do you see anything approaching the wars that we have. |
Very young hyenas have been known to try to kill each other within the same litter.
There's a species of water bird in which an available female will kill a nest of hatchlings and eggs to get the male to breed with her.
Some species of rodents (squirrels, mice, rats) have been observed to get some kind of craving for more protein, so they kill and eat the young of other squirrels, mice, or rats -- but doesn't happen very often, I don't think.
Sometimes, male zebras will kill a foal that does not belong to it, even if its within the same herd -- saw this happen only once though, in a documentary, so I guess that is rare, but that has happened.
I can't think of other examples right now.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:32
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Boredom breeds enthusiasm...death and destruction soon follow.
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General Ludd
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Minion of the Dominion
Aug 2001
time: 05:32
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What's all this about war? War isn't self destructive, it's enemy destructive... well, alright, it's a bit of both really. Especially in modern times, or with the advent of nation states and armies willing to kill on the whim of a handful of politicians, instead of protecting their family or tribe.
But if you want real self-destructive behaviour, you have to look at the environmental damage we do. We treat the air, soil, and water - all the things essential to our life - as toxic wastes dumps... hell, you could even argue we treat our own bodies that way, too. The only time animals crap in their den like that is when they've gone mad from confinment or some sort of obsessive behaviour - like we have with profit and capitalism. We're so obsessed with creating a 'profit' that we strive to create an endless, exponential, growth in an enviornment of limited resources. That's about as self-destructive as you can get. We're constantly increasing the needs we have from our environment while at the same time destroying it at an ever increasing rate.
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Xeones
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the evolutionary drive of *ideas* exceeds that of humans. ideas use humans as so much meat in the grinder in order to spread themselves.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:32
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"the evolutionary drive of *ideas* exceeds that of humans. ideas use humans as so much meat in the grinder in order to spread themselves."
Hell of an idea.
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Lord Merciless
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Originally posted by Osweld
But if you want real self-destructive behaviour, you have to look at the environmental damage we do. We treat the air, soil, and water - all the things essential to our life - as toxic wastes dumps... hell, you could even argue we treat our own bodies that way, too. The only time animals crap in their den like that is when they've gone mad from confinment or some sort of obsessive behaviour - like we have with profit and capitalism. We're so obsessed with creating a 'profit' that we strive to create an endless, exponential, growth in an enviornment of limited resources. That's about as self-destructive as you can get. We're constantly increasing the needs we have from our environment while at the same time destroying it at an ever increasing rate. |
If you think communism is good for the environment then you are hopelessly wrong.
If you think feudal despotism is good for the environment then you are just another Taliban.
If you think stone age tribalism is good for the environment then you might as well starve yourself to death.
Last edited by Lord Merciless on 14-11-2003 at 00:32
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st_swithin
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Nov 2002
time: 05:32
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Tyranny.
I think it would be a good thing to start a lemming run as an effort towards population control. Tell people that they're too fat, and that they should go on a special diet, and then they'll be too busy starving themselves to be happy and then they'll die early of lost hope and chronic insecurity!
To reinforce these negative thoughts, show only tv shows and movies starring 'perfect' people - ridiculously thin blonde women and men with capped smiles and 0% body fat - and publish glossy magazines with airbrushed and Photoshopped photos of those same 'perfect' people wearing clothes you'll never be able to afford, living in houses that exist in neighborhoods you'll never see, living lives so perfectly unattainable that you might was well die now because you will NEVER have any of these things. AND you paid for that TV service and you paid $6 for that issue of Cosmo. YEAH! GO LOGIC!!
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13-11-2003 14:15
ants, dude. ants. It's even much more lethal, deadly, and barbaric than humans. But then again, humans aren't (completely) zombified by chemicals, etc.
That impact is present in the appearance of all new species. Of course, we're probably the most strong, cunning and shrewd lump of matter to walk this part of the galaxy, so it's kinda hard on the primitive animals, but we'll soon learn to live in equilibrium in certain places, and modify the equilibrium to our needs. Just as we've always been doing.
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