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UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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Jun 2002
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Now.

I have just gotten several PM's from GS.

I must reiterate that I feel our BEST chance of dealing with BOTH RP and GS is to go forward with my plan of bringing everyone else in on a massive backstab of RP and GS.

Have Lego help ND on Bob, while we use a beachhead that was gifted to us by GS to infiltrate Stormia.

Part of me want's to do it just to see the rest of the team quit upon the shock of that turn.




that said, I have never trusted ND, I make no effort to hide that.

This is a good plan (gang up) to remove them, and by all rights get us a VERY well established empire.

GS is wanting to go through the war with Lego as well, at least they say. I REALLY still don't think they would overtly break such a thing once it was signed. As MZ once said, no one thinks like we do here.

Until ND gives us our share IF they do, I am very wary of them, and would at least consider this option.




I think these are really our only two options, frankly.

I truly think that Lego and Vox will both like the idea of returning Vox to their homeland, and will therefore go along with the plan for removing GS.

Yes, secrecy is a potential problem. This can be curbed by dealing directly with leaders for a short while and only making it 'public' after we have our beachhead. Once we have that, any effort to remove us there only will play into the plan, assuming Lego is on board.

I DON'T see either Lego OR GS sitting back and watching us conquer the other later, and I don't really like the idea of ND/GoW attempting an overseas invasion with a force poking them in the back.



So, I must put forth again that I feel our best course is to openly accept GS' proposal, form a grand alliance to destroy them, return Vox to their homeland, use 'new Vox' to invade Lego, have Vox help us eliminate ND, then declare Vox/GoW the winners.

The two dirtiest, nastiest, lying, cheating teams in the game.

Or we could just crush them.

GhengisFarb is offline GhengisFarb
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I would like to give ND the opportunity to gift us the cities according to our deal, and we really should get Thordoba soon.

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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Aug 2002
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  Old Post 16-11-2003 14:44
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Hmmm.

I too would prefer to stick with ND.

If it's Lego & Vox vs. GS & RP vs. ND & GoW, then I think we have the best combination.

Negotiating with GS, is like dancing with the devil. I dont trust them. Not one bit. As Vondrack said, they can out micro-manage the rest of us...but have no idea how to project that power. They have made diplomatic blunder after diplomatic blunder...with a Roleplay alignment being thier biggest and worst.

Also, from what Vondrack posted, the two "chatters" basically told GS that we dont have any contract with ND, and we are simply aligned. I doubt GS believe we have a contract and us pushing this line, and them nodding and agreeing, make me trust them even less.

It's alright for them to say..it's history and lets just start afresh, but it doesnt work for me. I need payback & I need rembursement of costs.

Our best solution, is to make them attack. They will lose most and possibly all of their knights. By negotiating with them, they get a small sniff of being able to escape, and they dont attack.

So..I would just tell them like it is.

Get the hell off Bob, if you take RP with you, it's unlikely we can deal anytime in the future.
We trust RP less than we trust GS. We can never deal with a team who carries them around as baggage.
We want all of those catapults that GS gifted to RP. If RP gifts them back to GS, we will never deal.
Once GS is off Bob and RP is destroyed. Then we can deal.

I tire of these GS negotiations, and I tire of them behaving that we should forget the past. They cost us our GA and quite possibly our chance of winning the game. They screwed us over, and they will do it again.
They use exploits while rub our noses in their "honor code". Tell them to p!ss off and return to their disease ridden home. If they want, then they can become our vassals.


And also... I am concerned with this quote

quote:

Raguil79: when do you think the resettling could take place?
Raguil79: because until that happens we are technically still at war and still allied to ND
CivTheseus: Do you mean by RP? Not until after ND was gone, certainly.
Raguil79: ah, I was referring to them going to tha projects
CivTheseus: OH, sorry.
CivTheseus: Next turn?
Raguil79: wow, that's pretty soon


I think we are going to see this happen...
GS get all of RP's cities on Bob.
RP gets Northern Stormia

On RP's turn, they move all of their units from Pampalona except the catapults
On GS's turn, they take Pampalona, capturing the catapults, moving RP's capital to Northern Esonia, and moving all of their Knights into Pampalona.

So we will have GS with 20 catapults & 20 Knights in Pamapalona and control of most of SE Bob.

How do we counter that ?

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We have all read the comments and seen the actions of members of GS and Roleplay in the public forum. There is no "forgive and forget" with either team, heck they won't even leave the "baggage" in this DemoGame they carry it over to others. I seriously doubt we could trust either Roleplay or GS in this game unless we trust their bones to be decorations in our trophy case.

Aggie is offline Aggie
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Jun 2002
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This is just my view, but after much consideration I believe that the best course of action is just to openly declare that we intend to drive RP and GS off our continent. We can do this and with Lego coming into the fight will do it even more easily. I thought of the idea of making a plan to atack ND with GS and then betraying them. But to be honest that would leave the victory less than what it would have been if we just went out and beat them.

I want to win in such a way that they will have to admit they were simply beat, period. Our plan IMHO should be the following, drive GS/RP(they don't have to go home, but they can't stay here). Lets be open and direct about this, we can do it the straight forward way, so lets do it that way. Once we have won the war, us and ND plan our strategy going forward. I think its time to say no more talking unless it is talk about unconditional surrender. Perhaps we should make an announcement that we intent to only stop when GS/RP our off our continent, but if they want to talk terms of withdraw thats fine, but they must withdraw.

Aggie

Donegeal is offline Donegeal
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  Old Post 17-11-2003 19:02
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I have never liked the idea of GS on Bob in any way shape or form. I have also been commited to the removal of RP from Bob since the idea was originated several thousand years ago. Sorry MZ, I don't want to go for any "evil plan" unless the only possible outcome is Bob being a two civ continent.

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I am all for wiping off Roleplay and GS but we need to be tactful about it. I don't want to drive Lego/Vox and GS/Scraps of Roleplay into a Mega-Alliance.

I think playing the "sorry we have to kill you, but our hands are tied" concept is our best strategy.

Donegeal is offline Donegeal
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I don't think we have to kill anybody. Just get them off Bob. We can either force it upon them, or they can do it volintary and sign a "No Return" clause.

GhengisFarb is offline GhengisFarb
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I don't think we have to kill anybody.

Pacifist!

GhengisFarb is offline GhengisFarb
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Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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I too support an ND/GoW alliance till the end. If that involves backstabbing RP/GS so be it.

I despise GS despite the fact that many of the current leadership are actually pretty cool people that I am quite fond of (Theseus, opd, etc.). But their earlier actions must never be left unpunished.

Remember, we are the revenge people! Just look at our history, the most common line is "GoW vows revenge". We will have revenge and will gloat in it or die trying!

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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Aug 2002
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I too support an ND/GoW alliance till the end.



Assuming ND lasts that long !!!

Is Zayxus their last player left ?

Aggie is offline Aggie
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Jun 2002
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Here is my suggestion to proceed. We know GS fears a LEGO/ND/GOW alliance. Lets make 2 announcements.

1) GOW/ND -"We hereby commit ourselves to the Removal of RP from Bob". Fair offers of peace have been made and rejected. Time is up, we will remove them by force."

2) GOW/ND/LEGO - "We commit ourselves to the removal of GS from BOB. This solid alliance will only accept the permanent and unconditional removal of GS from BOB. We will negotiate safe passage of troops from BOB, but we will NOT negotiate a GS presence on BOB.

I do suggest that in deference to the current GS leadership and to show good faith, we break off negotiations first and also offer incentives for GS to leave. Tell them it is time to get out and they will receive no such incentives in the future. Give them a one time offer of trades etc.

Aggie.

UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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Jun 2002
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Is Lego solidly on board with this? If so, I will happily make either a statement or a chat to tell them this.

Aggie is offline Aggie
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Not about the statement. I wanted to get the team on board first. But they are firmly on board for driving GS off Bob.
Aggie

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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Aug 2002
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Got my vote

GhengisFarb is offline GhengisFarb
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Got my vote too.

Ennet is offline Ennet
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May 2002
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Mine too, but later i would like to see the permanent removal of GS if possible. If we're going Gow/ND to the end the best way to ensure victory is to get Lego to remove GS with us.

Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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Get' em out! I support it too.

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