14-11-2003 05:10									#1
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I have the tech to do it, I built it in one city, but I can't seem to build it in any others. I have barracks in all cities. What's up with that?

	14-11-2003 06:06									#2
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I never build them, but it only has two requirements
1-barracks
2-120 gold

If you have both then it should be allowed.

	14-11-2003 07:23									#3
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I have both, and they aren't available. I was able to build it one city, that's it.

	14-11-2003 08:58									#4
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Do you have Sun Tzu's? IIRC, if a Barracks is provided through a wonder before you built it normally, it doesn't work as a prerequisite for another building or a small wonder.

	14-11-2003 22:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Do you have Sun Tzu's? IIRC, if a Barracks is provided through a wonder before you built it normally, it doesn't work as a prerequisite for another building or a small wonder.

AHA! That must be it.

Well, that's a pain in the arse. So basically Sun Tzu negates the ability to have civil defenses!

	14-11-2003 23:13									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov AHA! That must be it. Well, that's a pain in the arse. So basically Sun Tzu negates the ability to have civil defenses!

That would seem to undermine the value of Sun Tzu to a degree... I guess you have to bury your Terra Cotta warriors and embrace the modern era.

	15-11-2003 04:05									#7
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Ouch. If it is the case that Sun Tzu makes it impossible to build Civil Defences, this should go in the bug report thread.

	15-11-2003 04:28									#8
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Not sure if I would call that a bug...

perhaps more like a choice... Not every city would need a civil defense, so you just need to build barracks in the cities that do.

	15-11-2003 05:16									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Not sure if I would call that a bug... perhaps more like a choice... Not every city would need a civil defense, so you just need to build barracks in the cities that do.

The point is that with Sun Tzu's free barracks, you don't have the option of 'actually' building a barracks. Anyhow, this bug is reported to have been fixed in Conquests, presumably because the new Temple of Artemis wonder (free temples) otherwise wouldn't have allowed cathedrals.

	15-11-2003 05:19									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Thoth Ouch. If it is the case that Sun Tzu makes it impossible to build Civil Defences, this should go in the bug report thread.

This has been known for a long time. It was an intentional "feature", IIRC (I think I remember it appearing in the changes list for one of the original civ3 patches), but it is extrememly annoying.

	15-11-2003 06:37									#11
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Not sure what the big need is for civil defense. Your main empire will not need it and the fringe cities can' build it. It is a huge expense, which probably could be replaced with a few extra MI's.

	15-11-2003 10:16									#12
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I built Sun Tzu's in my current Conquests game and can build civil defense in cities that never had a "hand made" barracks.

Catt

	15-11-2003 10:21									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Catt I built Sun Tzu's in my current Conquests game and can build civil defense in cities that never had a "hand made" barracks. Catt

Yes it has been verified that Sun TZU is not a block to civil defense. So that was reported in error.

	15-11-2003 10:50									#14
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Or something else was at play causing them not being able to build.

	15-11-2003 11:21									#15
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I wonder if this was a user mod? Otherwise as I said only two things are required AFAIK. Barracks and 120 gold, if you have the tech.

	15-11-2003 20:21									#16
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It is a modified .bic file, but I've not touched either Sun Tzu or the Civil Defense improvement, or barracks...

	15-11-2003 20:24									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It is a modified .bic file, but I've not touched either Sun Tzu or the Civil Defense improvement, or barracks...

Just to be sure: Do you use PtW or Conquests?

	15-11-2003 20:25									#18
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	15-11-2003 20:26									#19
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Yep! Obviously, they have fixed this bug in Conquests.

	17-11-2003 19:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep Yep! Obviously, they have fixed this bug in Conquests.

hi ,

but the PTW people stay in the cold , ........

a final PTW for the 25 things or so that are left open would be welcome , .......

have a nice day