14-11-2003 06:23									#1
	Do you get tech for being first? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Ok, so I am going to expose my ignorance again. I thought you got a tech advance if you were first to learn a new tech.
You also have a small change to get a SGL.
Does this apply through out the game or stop after ancient age?
I ask because I find I have a constant two tech lead, but never get a free tech after the ancient age. I got a SGL after that age
.
Some cases, their could be no obvious reason that anyone could have the tech. I figured I was missing a civ that got it on the same turn, but I got Steam (Ottoman) and researched Ind,
I learned it, no one had steam, but me. I saw several cases where no one had a given tech, except me? So did I miss something or does it stop at some point. Is it not automatic and you just have a chance like SGL. It would make sense if a civ could only get one free tech for being first and only one SGL or maybe two for a game.
I did not find anything in the manual about the subject.

Thanks

	14-11-2003 06:28									#2
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I don't recall ever reading that. The SGL, yes. Something like 2 or 3% prob of getting the SGL, IIRC.

I just played a game where I had the tech lead most of the game, even got Theory of Evolution...not one SGL

	14-11-2003 06:40									#3
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Just the possible SGL for being first at a tech -- except for PHILOSOPHY, which gives 1 FREE tech if you're first to get it.

SGL probabilities are 3%, 5% for scientific.

	14-11-2003 06:46									#4
	Get a bigger avatar today!

You get a free tech only if you are 1st to research Philosophy. Otherwise, being 1st only gives you a (small) chance of spawning a SGL.

	14-11-2003 07:08									#5
	Suffering from ads?

do you have to use the SGL before you can get another one, like the regular GL's??

[EDIT] Can you have a GL and a SGL at the same time?? [/edit]

E_T

	14-11-2003 07:38									#6
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Of course if the civ you'r playing is a scientific civ you get a free tech at the beginning of each age - No announcement - no chance to influence it. - Code finally seems to be fixed for this though. - It used to default to the top of the tech tree - now it's random among the beginning techs of the age. - This also works for scientific AI civs. when I'm ahead I often give away the techs needed to bring a competing AI civ up to the new Age - I've got better than 50 50 odds that I don't have the tech they get, and then I can trade for it, (or at least antoher civ having it reduces my costs) - Also An appropriate gift of multiple Ancient age techs can make some AI Civ's very friendly for a while.


You can have multiple SGL's saved - and reports are that you can have an SGL and an MGL at the same time.

Kevin

	14-11-2003 12:53									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Ok that makes sense, I must have misread the post. I have managed to get a few SGL and 6 MGL so far, but I have Science trait.

	15-11-2003 23:12									#8
	Support Apolyton

I am wondering though if the first patch to conquests will remove the ability to stockpile SGLs.

	16-11-2003 00:37									#9
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Is this really a problem? I think the most I have gotten so far is 4 and 3 were very late in the game, so they had no real impact.
If you were seeing more than 2 by the middle ages, that may be a concern. After late industrial, they are not such a big impact.
I say that because if you are piling them up at that point, you could build the wonders first anyway.

	16-11-2003 03:54									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I never get MGLs or SGLs regardless of how many technologies I'm first to discover or how many battles I win with elite units. I'm just 'lucky' like that.