14-11-2003 20:03									#1
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As you all may have noticed now, we're last in every way measurable

It's about time to declare war!!

Let's go beat up the hippies....We've got 3 cities and a settler, another is being built in our capitol. 5 cities should be enough for a decent jag-pump. Anything from 20-40 jags will do

To avoid being counter-attaced we should also ally with some of our neighbours, just in case. Do you think Tabemono would help us?


We start the build-up now and starts our war in about...20-50 turns.


Suggestions? Protests? Detailed plans?

	14-11-2003 20:24									#2
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That's IMHO the only way, to improve the situation.

	15-11-2003 12:28									#3
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Let's do it. A good war could help us a lot. Even if we don't take many cities, simple harassment would do a lot for us in negotiations.

	15-11-2003 18:36									#4
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It's time to live up to our name

	15-11-2003 18:50									#5
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Ok, dann lasst uns das Planen beginnen.

1) Wer spricht mit »Sunshine« bezüglich einer »Großen Allianz«?
2) Wieviele JWs benötigen wir?

Planung der Städte kann ich, oder OPD machen.

	15-11-2003 19:22									#6
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I'm sorry but I just can't see an early attack on anyone working.

An early rush only works if you have good production to build a lot of units. Which we don't have.

An attack on SS would be futile as would an attack on LL. Tabemono would see us coming and would take a long time to get there.

	15-11-2003 19:50									#7
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Sorry, OPD - but if we do nothing, than we're still only onlookers for awhile

I think, we can execute an alliance with Sunshine and together we can work stronger against our neighbours.

	16-11-2003 01:00									#8
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Then so be it.

Although I don't want any part of this as I think it suicidal.

	16-11-2003 12:58									#9
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No, we're better off waiting until we have at least SOMETHING of a productive core. Even for an archer rush.

Rushing SS at all is suicide, considering they're building hoplites. Neither archers nor jaguars have a prayer against that.

We may just be better off building for now and then going to war far later in the game with gunpowder.

There's no question that war right now would be abjectly suicidal... aside from the fact that we have almost nothing to gain from even aquiring territory so far away and so hopelessly corrupt.

This is simply foolish.

Besides... if our goal is to commit communal suicide, let's at least do it after we have contact with all civs so that we can make Al-Sahaf like postings to the public boards about everything going on and everyone can contact us about it and whatnot.

	16-11-2003 13:00									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ninja Kid Sorry, OPD - but if we do nothing, than we're still only onlookers for awhile I think, we can execute an alliance with Sunshine and together we can work stronger against our neighbours.

I don't think Sunshine is the right ally if we're even looking at this (which I believe is compelte suicide right now). Tabemono might be workable... but, even then, Sunshine would be a tough nut to crack with their hoplites.

It's also a waste of time. While we're busy wasting shields bashing each others heads in, the other continent is going to be outgrowing us, not to mention any uninvolved parties on our own continent.

It's a simple recipe for losing the game FAR before we can roleplay losing the game with guerillas and tanks

	16-11-2003 17:49									#11
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So, lets switch to über-rexing then?

	17-11-2003 09:51									#12
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quote: Originally posted by bongo So, lets switch to über-rexing then?

Now THAT I agree with. I think that if we uber-REX for a while, we can establish a small empire capable of being used to build a war machine... and THEN we can bowl somebody over.

I like that idea a lot.

	17-11-2003 12:51									#13
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Where do we send our settler then, c3?

	17-11-2003 17:41									#14
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Yes, C3 was planed and it's good (Core).

	17-11-2003 18:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Now THAT I agree with. I think that if we uber-REX for a while, we can establish a small empire capable of being used to build a war machine... and THEN we can bowl somebody over. I like that idea a lot.

Yeah that sounds good is this what we want to do?
If we focus on growth building workers and settler and perhaps some defence then simply hang on till gunpowder we can make something of this.

Main priorities should be
- not getting into any wars, especially some sort of long term NAP with LL.
- expanding like mad

I think we need a new city placement plan as the old one doesn't account for the situation were in, proximity of SS etc..
I can start looking at things later today.....
A palace jump is important for the future. I was thinking about building a FP in the south asap then when it nears completion jumping the palace north.

	17-11-2003 20:30									#16
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You may have better informations about the situations about the other teams.

So I will go with you - REX - and we will see the result. I hope its 's good enough.

@New City Placement
Good idea.

Last edited by Ninja Kid on 17-11-2003 at 21:00