15-11-2003 19:31									#1
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I am finding more of my starts

- are near lakes instead of rivers

- are on grassland with only 2 - 3 shield squares in radius

- are near the Equator so I am surrounded by Jungles and Deserts

- and I cannot find luxuries within 15 squares of my start!!!


What is going on here??? Did someone at Firaxis say "y'know, we need to change the map generator to produce a lot more bad maps?"

	15-11-2003 19:33									#2
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Probably just a streak of bad luck.

	15-11-2003 23:02									#3
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yeah, i've had some awesome starts, starting near ivory.

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	16-11-2003 00:21									#4
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Probably just a streak of bad luck.

No, I've been noticing it too. I'm getting alot more lousy starting positions than I did before. The other night I spent most of the evening just restarting the game trying to get a good opening. I finally gave up playing the game altogether.

	16-11-2003 00:28									#5
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I must have been getting your good starts then. I got a 3 cattle river in one recently. I also got a nice flood plain/desert start as the Incas.

About the only difference I've seen is that they had to put the Marshes somewhere.

I usually play my starts, even the mediocre ones (I lose a lot of games, oh well). The only one I rerolled recently was the marsh start I had.

	16-11-2003 00:38									#6
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But there definetely was a change in the Strategic Resource distribution. I've never seen Continent maps before where ALL Horses are on one continent, and several others have only 1 remote Iron, Saltpeter or Coal for 3 Civs. Looks like they're clustered more like Luxuries now, and the linking to the staring position was dropped.

I really like that, BTW.

	16-11-2003 02:15									#7
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This encourages expansion/conquest/trade.

	16-11-2003 03:37									#8
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In the case of Horses, historically accurcurate as well. (There were no horses in the Americas until the Spanish brought them over.)

quote: Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski But there definetely was a change in the Strategic Resource distribution. I've never seen Continent maps before where ALL Horses are on one continent, and several others have only 1 remote Iron, Saltpeter or Coal for 3 Civs. Looks like they're clustered more like Luxuries now, and the linking to the staring position was dropped. I really like that, BTW.

	16-11-2003 03:48									#9
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quote: Originally posted by justjake73 I am finding more of my starts - are near lakes instead of rivers - are on grassland with only 2 - 3 shield squares in radius - are near the Equator so I am surrounded by Jungles and Deserts - and I cannot find luxuries within 15 squares of my start!!! What is going on here??? Did someone at Firaxis say "y'know, we need to change the map generator to produce a lot more bad maps?"

hi ,

what are the settings when it comes to size , the number of civs , etc , ......

have a nice day