15-11-2003 23:23									#1
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I'm going to have an excellent vacation with few of my buddies just before summer vacation (well summer jobs, so it's not so much vacation then).

We're heading to the US, we'll be spending some time in NY at our friends place, and then we head to San Diego where we rent a car, and drive the westcoast.. see the sights, drink ourselves silly and possible end up in jail for indicent exposure. Anyway, not getting into little details like that, I'd like to hear your tips. San Diego -> possibly San Francisco. What should we see? I know I made a thread about this earlier, but then the plans fell through. Now we're going at it.

Any tips?

	16-11-2003 06:05									#2
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ANY tips at all? Is there anything, that we shouldn't miss out?

	16-11-2003 06:54									#3
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Get drunk. Get laid. Avoid drunk driving.

	16-11-2003 07:01									#4
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Avoid sleeping in the car while parking. One of my friends did that and woke up looking into the barrel of a police gun and was arrested for vagrancy. The case was later dismissed as "stupid European tourists who did not know the law", but you never know. A jumpy policeman might even pull the trigger if you make the wrong move. 43 shots or so against the same suspect (who was innocent) is probably the record so far.

	16-11-2003 07:08									#5
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Yeah we're not going to sleep in the car. We are afraid will get molested by hot chicks if they see us sleeping there. And we can't even fit there to sleep comfortably, so I guess we'll be using motels. Hmm.. maybe there are cheerleaders too, on a roadtrip.. who knows!

We are not very big supporters of drunk driving.. it's a huge problem in here, so I don't think so.
But we get drunk and hope to get laid as well. .

Nah, but we're really looking to see if there are any cool sights too.. hey, where's mount rushmore? Isn't that somewhere near westcoast?

	16-11-2003 07:29									#6
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If you're in San Diego, you can drop by my house and my mom will feed you Chinese food.

	16-11-2003 07:36									#7
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Are you asking me on a date?

	16-11-2003 07:42									#8
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I'm probably a decade older than you. It's more like offering to babysit.

	16-11-2003 07:48									#9
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That's what you say.. sure.. so there would be trust... I don't know what you'd put in that Chinese food to make me sleep and wake up in WalMart dumpster, violated in every single way I can think of.

Now off to bed.. I'll be locking the door!

	16-11-2003 07:55									#10
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Ah, I guess you heard about the last person who came to visit me.



DEFINITELY lock the door.

	16-11-2003 07:58									#11
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If you're going to the US be aware that there, chicks can sue you just because you looked at them- for real

	16-11-2003 08:03									#12
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Dude, I live in the US and I've never heard of that law. I'm getting a solicitor!

	16-11-2003 10:36									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I'm going to have an excellent vacation with few of my buddies just before summer vacation (well summer jobs, so it's not so much vacation then). We're heading to the US, we'll be spending some time in NY at our friends place, and then we head to San Diego where we rent a car, and drive the westcoast.. see the sights, drink ourselves silly and possible end up in jail for indicent exposure. Anyway, not getting into little details like that, I'd like to hear your tips. San Diego -> possibly San Francisco. What should we see? I know I made a thread about this earlier, but then the plans fell through. Now we're going at it. Any tips?

hi ,

, the western shores of america , with a stop - over in Tel - Aviv one can presume , ......

dont worry pekka , you get a piece of paper that you where never in Israel

what should you see , well the presidio is a must

have a nice day

	16-11-2003 18:43									#14
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panag, I have to stop listening to you, because some day I just might take some of those advices you give me .

Datajack Franit, oh yeah and what's that? Sexual harrasment? I understand.. I have piercing look.

	22-11-2003 03:52									#15
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No tips at all? Most likely the roadtrip now starts from San Diego and ends in Portland.. We're thinking of checking out LA a little, maybe get in one of those studio tours.. maybiers.. could be nice and then .. we haven't looked at the maps too much yet, but maybe use the I-5.. and do some surfing for a day (my friends are good at it, the ones coming, I have never tried!)...

In San Francisco see the Alcatraz (they still do tours there?) and check out the nightlife, we figured this city has lots to offer. What do you think?

Then maybe check out Las Vegas... few days of fear and loathign in there. Anything we should especially see? Dissident, you're the expert, any tips? Are the hotels expensive? The cool ones I mean?

So, this is what I figured so far.. I'm missing whole lots of stuff, what is it?!

	22-11-2003 04:46									#16
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Pekka: San Diego to San Francisco is a great road trip with beautiful scenery. I suggest spending a few days in San Diego going to the Zoo, Sea World, the beach, and taking a day trip down to TJ (Mexico) then either heading east to Las Vegas & the Grand Canjon or going north towards Disneyland, Hollywood, and L.A.. If you decide to drive up the coast then take I5 to Highway 101 then take the Pacific Coast Highway to San Francisco. The PCH is one of the slowest ways to travel but the scenery is unbeatable and you will get to truly see what California has to offer. As an added benifet you can stop off at wine growing regions in Santa Barbara, San Luis Obisbo, Monterrey, as well as Napa & Sonoma if you continue up to north bay.

Try to stay at yougth hostels as you will meet lots of people and you will save a fair amount of money. As an added bonus most hostels are near the main down town areas so you can go out drinking and not worry about having to drive back or pay the taxi drivers their outragous fees.

BTW when is your trip and when will you be in San Diego? If your vist happens before the Army sends me off to Iraq then I'll show you around town and take you to a couple of bars.

	22-11-2003 04:53									#17
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OH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! THE SEAWORLD IS IN San Diego! WOw that's COOL! Yeah, we're actually spending the last few days in SF, then just quickly drive to Portland, it's not really part of our roadtrip.

We can't go to Mexico, the car rental places are not very happy about that one..

The final date is not locked as of yet, but it's closer to beginning of summer 2004...... about six months. I'll be checking later if there are some folks down the road for few drinks or dinner or something.
I don't think Disneyland is in our schedule.. grand canyon maybe. How about mt rushmore, where is it? Is it near the route, or .. I have no idea where it is.

	22-11-2003 04:59									#18
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By summer 2004 I'll have been in Iraq for around half a year and will still have a year left to go. Sorry, but I'm going to have to take a rain check on that beer.

	22-11-2003 05:01									#19
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quote: hey, where's mount rushmore? Isn't that somewhere near westcoast?

That's not even close, it's in North Dakota I think...

PCH (1)is a nice highway, slow, but nice. You can take the I-5 all the way up to 256 or the 580 then over to the 101/1. If you do the 1 you should hit a lot of nice places to surf; Santa Cruz (where the Boardwalk is) and North to Pacifica have a lot of great spots. My wife has a friend who lives in SF who surfs, I'll ask where he goes.

Alcatraz still does tours.

If it's nice hanging out around Gloden Gate park is fun, lots to do, bars all around. There is plenty to do in SF as far as clubbing and bar hopping goes. I don't go to a lot of clubs, but in the mission there is a bar called 'Butter' that I like (it's next to '21 Tanks' which is a big microbrew). Butter is a white trash theme bar

In the Summer? Try and catch a Giants game, the stadium is awesome.

Across the bay there's a great strip club called McFarell Bros. (Spelling? I might even have the name wrong, just ask for the Irish strip club, something Bros. and everyone will know what your talking about).

Do the trolly from Fisherman's Warf (where you will get the boat to Alcatraz). While the cable car things is silly it is still fun and a good way to see some of the town. Go to China Town, Union Square, Theater District... There's a lot to do, you'll probably just sit at a bar the whole time and get drunk.

Heading north out of the city. If you take the 1 you will head into Napa, Sanoma, etc. and then eventually head up into the Giant Redwoods, which is nice, but it will take a long time to get to Portland that way. The best way would be to get back to the 5 (via 80), but that drive is boring.

If I'm still around when you come we'll have to hook up.

	22-11-2003 05:12									#20
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Oerdin, Rain check it is then.. I'll be touring a lot anyway.. I'm coming at least once a year, at the least there anyway.

Japher, Santa Cruz is actually planned as the place we'll do surfing. Well at least my buddies will.. I'm not sure yet. I want to try, it's not exactly snowboarding but I think I'll get a hang of it, at least so that I can enjoy failing in it .

Sanoma means message in Finnish.. every paper that is like XXXXXX Daily, the daily is Sanomat.. is this a message to visit this place? maybe, I don't know!

Yeah, I 5 will lead us to the finish directly, if we are coming from the right direction to be able to take it.


White trash theme bar? That's a must
We won't be clubbing too much though, we have a budget to think about..

	22-11-2003 07:28									#21
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So you got your visa?

	22-11-2003 07:36									#22
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There are some more famous beaches north of Santa Cruz too, I am not sure what they are called but the surfers at Santa Cruz should be able to tell (I think there's one between Half Moon Bay and Pacifica that is suppose to be the best)...

Sanoma is nice country, don't care what you Finns might think

	22-11-2003 07:44									#23
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paiktis, I don't need visa for a short tourist trip.

	22-11-2003 07:47									#24
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Ah OK.

	22-11-2003 08:10									#25
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Pekka,

As far as I know, you can't use the Visa Waiver Program with a criminal record, so if whatever you've got constitutes a criminal record, I think you'll have to apply for a visa.

	22-11-2003 08:12									#26
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I don't have a criminal record. I am certified accepted traveller .

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Not even for felonious Apolyton posting??

	24-11-2003 02:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka ... Santa Cruz is actually planned as the place we'll do surfing. Well at least my buddies will.. I'm not sure yet. I want to try, it's not exactly snowboarding but I think I'll get a hang of it, at least so that I can enjoy failing in it ...

Surfing is a way to get closer to nature...

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