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Theseus
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The warmonger formerly known as rpodos. Gathering Storm! Apolyton Spirit!!
Apr 2002
time: 00:32
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I'll chime in with an equally non-directly-relevant answer.
There are other posters here who are in your age range... and some of them are truly impressive in terms of maturity, responsibility, breadth of knowledge, intellect, and creativity.
On a computer, I can't think of anything better for a teenager than Civ.
We've got, oh, about 20,000 people here that could make that argument. 
Example: One of the most popular books about the history of human civilization over the last two decades has been "Guns Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond. Look it up on Amazon or something. I personally loved it... and I understand it about 100x better by virtue of Civ. And I am 40.
Anybody want to chime in about the team multiplayer games? What a learning experience THAT has been. We have several hundred very smart, very experienced players.... and we all pay homage to a person named Trip... someone correct me if wrong, but I think Trip is 19.
This is pretty much the most complex and educational activity I can think of... magnified by fora such as Apolyton. AND, it is an ultimate meritocracy... how great is that? 
I know there are other issues (e.g., "GO OUTSIDE!!"), but when I have kids, heck, Civ will be a part of their worldview framework.
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This next part is for Civ players, but supports my point:
"We are in a war with Iraq, son, that's why we are watching the news so much."
"Why?"
"They are a type of government we don't like... and that also means we don't like the head of that type of government."
"Ohhhh... But do we hate them that much Daddy?"
"Well, we don't hate them, but we have to be careful. They have Sipahi."
"OH NO!!"
"It gets worse, son. They have Sipahi Armies, C3C-style."
Father and son burrow under the covers.
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I was born in 1963, so I was a child in middle class America during Vietnam and the height of the Cold War. The closest thing we had to a geo-political teaching tool was the game Risk, which taught large-scale CHANCE.
I wish I had grown up with Civ, with my Dad using it as a teaching tool, to understand the world better.
Edit: Elias, when you can, you might want to show this forum to your parents. I'll guess they are not too far off in age from me... This is an amazing place, truly, and speaking on behalf of my nieces and nephews and godchildren, I'd be pretty psyched to see them hanging around here. (And you! )
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Elias
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Nice Comments Everyone is probably wondering what I did to deserve the no pc Ill explain.first a little background since about 6th grade the Pc has been limited to weekends I can see the other side of the argument here easily.But on my last report card I came home with grades that were less acceptable 2.8B- avrage so on friday after school I came home and was expecting to play conquests to see the PC missing. Many have said to try to come to an agremment with them right? I allready Tried talking with my dad for over an hour he claims Pc has next to no educational Value and that I need to make school my first priority I can see taking the pc away on weekdays I almost thank them for restraining me a little but for none untill??? espically right after I got conquests I even offerd to study up to 3hours a night for Pc back on weekends. My father who is constantly out of town on buisness is fimilary with CTP but has never played civ3. I am suprised to hear that most of you have kids yourself although i guss I could have been expecting it considering I have met 2 people who have played civ one I acually Introduced it to him just the other day and I have met no one at my school who seems as intelligent as the people here. By the way in case you were woundering this pc is my parents buisness pc it is to slow to load civ on and my regular pc does not have acess to the internet so i have been missing out on multiplayer. Its Nice to be among Intellictual equals for once.
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Elias
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p.s anyone got any bright ideas for passing time not that I dont have a life outside the pc.
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bvoncranium
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The Nation's Capital
Mar 2003
time: 00:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Elias
I need to make school my first priority |
Thanks Elias for providing more background - this helps. As you've no doubt figured out, there are choices you can make that should help the situation.
As hard as it might be to go along with what your parents have asked for, it's probably a pretty effective way to get back on the pc sooner rather than later.
If you are able to demonstrate that you're getting your schoolwork (homework and studying) done early and well and have time left over afterwards on a consistent basis, it should not only help your marks at school, but should influence your parents' position as well. It will show to them that you can give priority to school and still be able to enjoy the other things that are important to you, such as Civ, etc. If the marks are the only thing that has brought this on, your parents will probably recognize that you've done what they asked; this could be rewarded with giving you back your PC priveleges, and there will probably be other benefits as well. It's common in life that the more you demonstrate that you can handle things, the less people tell you what to do or demand that you handle things.
You should also consider asking your parents if the marks are the only reason that they took away the computer. Sometimes if parents enact some seemingly-harsh punishment without prior warning, there may be something else that's bugging them. It's worth asking: if the grades are the only problem, at least you know where you stand and you can find a way to improve things. If there's something else causing the conflict, it's better to ask and get the whole picture and do your best to resolve it. Whether you're mad at them or not, the better your communication with your parents, the better your life will be.
Best of luck buddy - bvc
P.S. nice choice of avatar
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Theseus
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The warmonger formerly known as rpodos. Gathering Storm! Apolyton Spirit!!
Apr 2002
time: 00:32
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Yeah, Elias, that is sort of where I was going... especially in that your Dad has played CTP, he at least gets this genre. So you need to convert him to your side based on the educational values of Civ!! Show him a MONSTER interest in human history, as evidenced by not just playing the game but also tying it to RL studying, *above and beyond* your school homework.
In fact, I'd recommend asking your parents to by "Guns Germs and Steel" for you... and btw, READ IT, it is fascinating, especially in the context of Civ (e.g., have you ever played a RW map?).
Back to your problem: You gotta earn it, my friend, no way around that. You seem like a really bright guy... why not get 4.0? I'm gonna call you out on something: You think you are intellectual? And you are happy to find like minds here?
Well, FINE, get the grades!
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Elias
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Thank you for your comments this has helped me in my struggle. Curently I am reading secret wepons of ww2 being a world war 2 buff I am content with this but would anyone care to explain more about guns germs and steel please tell me the name of the author how long is it and could I just pick this up at the libary or barns&Nobel. puting a password on my pc would stop nothing you see my parents never use it my mom just took the pc part to somwhere I have not been able to find out yet although I have already searched my house Im not crazy enough to try to do somthing bad enough as so they would give me my pc back and I could end up in a worse spot. On un unrelated subject do you ever get bored and come here during work? personaly I think school is almost as bad as work because of the crazy teachers you have to sit in a desk and stare at you dont get paid so there is much less insentive does the 2.6 I got in 7th grade bug me any more? And added stress from parents and grades + home work so its about even. and at least when you drive to work you have a car and money in you wallet unlike me.
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16-11-2003 04:51
the day after geting conquests i only got to play for about an hour. From reading most other threads most people on this sight seem more educated then other people so just curious if you anyone is close to my age group and if you have Pc avalibality problomes like me and also if your close to me in age how do you Know so much. 
, let mom and dad play a game or two , ......
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