17-11-2003 09:57									#1
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Tabemono has contacted me and asked if we'd like to get Mathematics from them. They are currently working on that technology. I told them that we are roughly 15 turns away from Code of Laws.

They said they'd be willing to pay us either gold or an IOU (because Math is 20% cheaper than Code) along with Math for Code when we both have the techs.

They also asked if they could give us Math early (if they got it early) rather than extra cash or an IOU. I told them I'd ask the forum, but I'm planning to tell them probably not, or we'll discuss it as the time for trading comes closer.

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On another issue, I think Tabemono would make a good ally, either against Sunshine or agianst Latin Lover, or even against both. We're the only two militaristic civs on the continent and I think they'd make a reasonably good partner, the fatsos and the our enlightened selves against the wanna be's and the hippies.

Thoughts?

	17-11-2003 12:52									#2
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Fine with me, where do tabe live? Up north?

	17-11-2003 15:10									#3
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Yeah, the fatsos are up north of us, they're playing China.

Hippies are playing Greece and are to our West. Wannabes are playing Rome and they're to our East.

To be honest, I think the wannabes are probably plotting an attack against us. I think we should team up with the fatsos to go wipe them out.

Afterall, the wannabes got a free settler at the start of the game and for that alone they deserve death

	17-11-2003 15:54									#4
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If latinloosers go after us we will NEED some catapults. Those legions are hard....

Edit: This was my 999th post, next post I will be King

Haven't decided yet if I'm going to post just 'king' in a thread or make a 'real' one.

	17-11-2003 17:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by bongo If latinloosers go after us we will NEED some catapults. Those legions are hard.... Edit: This was my 999th post, next post I will be King Haven't decided yet if I'm going to post just 'king' in a thread or make a 'real' one.

Just quote my quote of you here, your majesty

	17-11-2003 17:59									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Just quote my quote of you here, your majesty

Oh well....



Hail to the King Baby

	17-11-2003 18:03									#7
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quote: Originally posted by bongo Edit: This was my 999th post, next post I will be King

Gratulation

Hm, maybe I should spam for a time

	17-11-2003 18:08									#8
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Nah, not worth it. Getting away from 'settler' is cool, so is getting the custom avatar (400 posts?). King really indicate too much spare time

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ah congratulations your Majesty

	17-11-2003 18:18									#10
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Thanks everyone Now, if we could get back to our ordinary business. Whatever that may be

The lousy terrain, lack of resources and a slight lack of team structure in the early game has certainly given us a difficult position here. An alliance with tabe and change of focus to total-rexing may be enough to get us going again.

	23-11-2003 01:08									#11
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Apparently, OPD sent Tabemono a note last turn asking what they would trade us for CoL. I'm currently in chat with Tabemono discussing this.

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Cool!

Tabemono has offered to pay us 48 gold (the exact difference in value between CoL and Math) in return for the CoL for Math trade.

IN ADDITION, Tabemono offers to give us Math RIGHT NOW and will pay us the 48 gold when we deliver them CoL upon completion of research, probably thus granting us Math a full 12-15 turns before we give them CoL in return.

Not a bad deal if I may say so myself.

This came after I broached the issue of a potential Tabemono-MAST alliance, so I figure that's why they felt like being generous

	23-11-2003 02:00									#13
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Good work guys

	23-12-2003 09:56									#14
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*bump*

Kloreep was doing the turn for Tabemono and wanted to know what we were researching so they didn't duplicate our efforts, so I told him we were researching Republic. Hope that's ok.

- Arnelos

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No problem, It won't get finished soon though...

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Spoke to Kloreep and Sharpe of tabe the other day. We agreed to a deal for Rep, can't remember what the techs were but one of them was Lit I think will try and find out what the deal was.

We seem pretty cool with them now at one point they were even offering us help with industrious workers...

	12-01-2004 02:43									#17
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agreed a tech trade with Kloreep of Tabe

PTWDG II: Rep-Curr+Lit Trade
MAST-Tabemono Millenium Trade Deal:
-Once MAST researches Republic and Tabemono researches Literacy, MAST will trade Republic to Tabemono in exchange for Currency and Literacy.
-Both teams agree not to trade the techs received from the other for 20 turns after the trade is made.
-Tabemono owes MAST two tech point IOUs on future trades.
-This deal will not be broken should one team gain any of the involved techs before it goes through. The other techs involved will still be traded, even if it means one side gains no tech at all from it.

-Signed by Kloreep for Tabemono

	13-01-2004 22:41									#18
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pm recieved from UnO of Tabe

CC: Togas, Master Zen, OPD

Greetings!

I am sure you will be pleased to note that I have officially become far more active and will be taking more of a role in Tabemono diplomacy.

As such, having looked over the current situation I now come before you to propose the FARE (Fog and Rebel Extermination) Pact.

This is a plan to remove both Fog and, if needed, Barbarians from off of our shared shores. In this first stage, it will consist simply of the following proposal:

Team Tabemono proposes a straight map for map trade. We openly let you know we are contacting all known teams on this trade as well. In addition, and in the interest of fairness, and as a service of convenience for you, we hereby offer to GIFT any additional terrain information gained as a result of trades from the other teams so that we will not be giving any one team a 'better map' than another, and we will all in the end have the same information.

If this is indeed agreeable, please let me know, and we will be sending our map along with the next turn. If you prefer to withhold your map from the other teams, also let me know and we will comply with those wishes as well. If you do not wish to trade maps, also please let me know.

Stages 2 and 3 will come later, and only if desired.

Stage 2 would be a coordinated exploration of any remaining fog that all would benefit from. All such information would be gifted amongst the other teams that all would benefit.

Stage 3 would be an option to coordinate troop placements specifically designed to either halt completely or to control where barbarian Uprisings will occur.

I look forward to hearing from each of you, and hope to meet many times in the future as well

On behalf of team Tabemono,
UnOrthOdOx

	15-01-2004 15:16									#19
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Chat with Unorothodox of Tabemono tonight.

Background on Unortho: He's apparently the new FAM for Tabemono. Historically, he likes playing as a warmonger.

I was chatting with Unortho about, *ahem*, OTHER Demo Games and he wanted to talk Tabemono-MAST as well, so here ya go:

quote: UnOrthOdOx> Hey, you there? Arnelos> yes Arnelos> what's up? ............ (all references to other Demo Games removed to protect the innocent ) ............ UnOrthOdOx> Can we discuss the other game now? UnOrthOdOx> LOL Arnelos> go for it Arnelos> WHICH other game? UnOrthOdOx> the second PTWDG Arnelos> ah Arnelos> you're working for Tab, right? UnOrthOdOx> I'm on Tabemono btw UnOrthOdOx> yeah. Arnelos> ok, right Arnelos> what's up? UnOrthOdOx> Did Beta copy my proposal up for you guys? Arnelos> the one about map sharing? UnOrthOdOx> That's the one. Arnelos> yeah UnOrthOdOx> Any word on how it's being received? Arnelos> MZ (for LL) likes it, I haven't heard a peep from Sunshine Arnelos> as for my team, I think OPD likes it, do'nt know about bongo or vulture Arnelos> my guess is that everyone will probably be on board UnOrthOdOx> Togas was all for it on sunshine before we included LL in the deal, so they should be in for it as well. Arnelos> at least for the map-trading part UnOrthOdOx> Yeah. Arnelos> the barb thing I have absolutely no idea UnOrthOdOx> That's the best I could really hope for, but it lacked luster in a name with just that Arnelos> there's a lot of unstated mistrust floating about UnOrthOdOx> everywhere. You guys seem to have been shafted by the map generator/editor Arnelos> heh, yeah Arnelos> and right next to LL, the largest civ in the game Arnelos> (who got a free settler) Arnelos> we'd kill to be playing either an industrious or an agricultural civ right now with this land, but oh well Arnelos> btw... how long ago did you join Tabemono? UnOrthOdOx> agricultural is just too powerfull. UnOrthOdOx> from the beginning, just haven't been active. Arnelos> ah UnOrthOdOx> I don't really care much for the game anymore, but diplomacy I find interesting still. Arnelos> so I trust you know about the ideas floated in chat between our teams about an alliance of some sort? UnOrthOdOx> the game as in civ in general. Arnelos> ah UnOrthOdOx> Yes. I had proposed similar in our forum in fact upon first looking at the situation and before even looking at the map. Arnelos> heh Arnelos> yeah, we need at least one ally and you guys were picked out as the one we'd most like to have Arnelos> our position leaves something to be desired... we're going to need friends UnOrthOdOx> The trouble is it will be difficult to DO anything for a little while with legions and hoplites. Arnelos> uh huh Arnelos> we figure our best bet is to stay in despotism and use our flood plains to give us enough food to have high pop... then abuse pop rushing for all its worth to build enough cats, spearmen, and archers to have a fighting chance UnOrthOdOx> Gotta love pop rushing. It wouldn't be in our best interest to just let LL and sunshine split your land, though. It's just a natural alliance IMO. Arnelos> that's the way I see it, at least UnOrthOdOx> From all indication, though, LL and sunshine are not exactly working together at all. Arnelos> which is VERY VERY GOOD if so UnOrthOdOx> Our best bet would be to keep it that way till we are ready. Arnelos> we've been trying to pursue friendly relations with both Arnelos> indeed UnOrthOdOx> Well, they aren't sharing techs from what we can tell. Arnelos> if Tabemono wants to some day go offensive, I'm relatively sure that my team (which isn't entirely happy being stuck in the middle against a bunch of powerhouses around us) would be happy to help UnOrthOdOx> Hopefully we'll have a much better idea of what's exactly going on with the map trade and I can convince these peacenicks of something. UnOrthOdOx> Damn surrounded by builders here. Arnelos> heh UnOrthOdOx> about had a heart attack when I looked at the military advisor some 10 turns ago. Arnelos> MAST is stacked with warmongers who seem a little uncomfortable playing a position we can't realistically warmonger from UnOrthOdOx> Yeah, that's worse. ............ (all references to other Demo Games removed to protect the innocent ) ............

	15-01-2004 15:22									#20
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quote: Arnelos> MAST is stacked with warmongers who seem a little uncomfortable playing a position we can't realistically warmonger from

I'm fine with the map-deal btw.

	16-01-2004 00:49									#21
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hehe I'm pure builder personally,

the map deal sounds cool, we may want to get some sort of map trade each turn going in the lead up to the barb up risings.

	14-02-2004 11:58									#22
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In chat with the Tabs right now... they're worried about an LL invasion.

They're floating the idea of an alliance as well. I'd think we want to be a bit cautious here, but we certainly want to convince them of the magnitude of the LL threat and we probably want to work with them to defeat LL... only question is whether we want an MPP with them to do it.

Chat ongoing in #feast.

	14-02-2004 13:04									#23
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quote: * Now talking in #feast Arnelos> hey * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Arnelos * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Kloreep Arnelos> btw... were we going to set up an alliance with you guys? Kloreep> Hi * UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +k hamburger UnOrthOdOx> We have been discussing that. UnOrthOdOx> Basically, we, or rather I, was wondering how you guys are getting along with LL. Arnelos> Well, on the *surface*, it seems that we get along quite fine UnOrthOdOx> below said surface? Arnelos> that said, they're building legionaries and building up on Tabemono/MAST side of the chokepoint and we're understandably concerned UnOrthOdOx> You know they are building legions then? UnOrthOdOx> You've seen some? Arnelos> We've seen them UnOrthOdOx> Or still doing warriors. UnOrthOdOx> How many? Arnelos> I know we've seen at least 1-2 legionaries Arnelos> lemme look Arnelos> I'd have to dig through old turn threads Arnelos> I know we've seen a few Arnelos> on our side of the chokepoint Arnelos> one of our Jaguars scouted out their road and saw a few UnOrthOdOx> Basically, we've been looking at the same thing. LL is...SHOULD attack someone soon. Arnelos> lemme go look which turn that was UnOrthOdOx> Of those to attack MAST and Tabemono are the two logical targets. Arnelos> oh yeah Arnelos> We've thought that LL had their eyes on one of us for a long while now Arnelos> and my own experience with the LL players in the MZO Diplomacy forum suggests these guys will attack soon Arnelos> I think Niessuh is the only builder on that team UnOrthOdOx> And here I'm surrounded by em. Arnelos> turn 84 Arnelos> we saw 2 vet legions with one of our jaguars... it's unclear whether LL realizes we saw them because it was a jag warrior that did a forward-backward into LL territory, I think UnOrthOdOx> How well could you guys withhold an attack? Arnelos> lemme go open a save... we're currently trying to defeat a massive barb uprising in the south Arnelos> I'll go look around UnOrthOdOx> I'll be frank. You're a long way down there. Arnelos> turn 87... we saw ANOTHER LL legion UnOrthOdOx> And Horses wouldn't exactly do anything to Legions. Arnelos> saw the same legion on turn 88 Arnelos> hmm... lemme load up our save Arnelos> 630 is the most recent, correct? Arnelos> yeah UnOrthOdOx> yes. * Arnelos looks around at the MAST empire * Arnelos assesses MAST military strength * Arnelos starts crying Arnelos> worse still, LL can hit you guys from those 2 colony cities and there's not a damn thing we could do to help right now Arnelos> what little military we have is currently busy with a massive barb uprising in the south * Arnelos is going to have to whip his team into shape UnOrthOdOx> You could help a bunch, really. UnOrthOdOx> Cutting a road or scouting would be just as helpfull Arnelos> true UnOrthOdOx> However, WE don't have any way of getting down to YOU. Arnelos> scouting we can do, cutting roads we can do Arnelos> also true UnOrthOdOx> In anything resembling a quick fashion, that is. Arnelos> if LL attacked us right now, we'd fall over Arnelos> I can't see us even stopping a modest stack of legionaries Arnelos> we're going to need more troops Arnelos> thankfully... SS has more troops and we have a road connection to them now Arnelos> they could lend assistance far sooner UnOrthOdOx> I've been screaming for hordes of em, ask Kloreep. Arnelos> and have expressed interest in doing so UnOrthOdOx> I think they feel i'm insane... Arnelos> you're not Kloreep> Hehe Arnelos> our military is pathetic... I'm going to start screaming for nothing but units UnOrthOdOx> How close are you guys to Sunshine? Arnelos> geographically or diplomatically? UnOrthOdOx> If you could get some Hoplites on your side... UnOrthOdOx> Diplo UnOrthOdOx> They're closer than us. Arnelos> SS wants an MPP, I believe we may be about to sign it Arnelos> yes, hoplites would help Arnelos> that's the idea UnOrthOdOx> Well, I'll tell you this. UnOrthOdOx> I don't think we really want to see you crushed or LL will just outproduce us later. UnOrthOdOx> At the same time, our current fast units are ill suited to fighting legions and slow ones need to be kept home in case of an attack on us. UnOrthOdOx> That's basically where we stand. Arnelos> We honestly think LL may have you guys as a target as well Arnelos> they may just bypass us, seeing as we couldn't do much to help you, and head straight for you UnOrthOdOx> Some deep dark part of me wants them to come at us. Arnelos> Sunshine seems to think that's what's going to happen as well... don't know if LL has talked to them UnOrthOdOx> Fighting off a SoD of Legions... UnOrthOdOx> Just sounds like a fun thing to try. Arnelos> point is, if LL has to pick, they might just go after their priniciple rival, which is clearly you guys... if you're diminshed, Sunshine and MAST would be a walk in the park UnOrthOdOx> Yes. UnOrthOdOx> That's what we see as well. UnOrthOdOx> Of course it hasn't escaped our notice that either or both of you and sunshine could stand to gain by joining LL as well Arnelos> Sunshine seem tempted to think so... we've endeavored to convince them otherwise Arnelos> we can clearly see that if LL beats ANYONE, we're all ****ed Arnelos> quite frankly, I wouldn't mind a 3-way alliance, but that's just me UnOrthOdOx> We have noticed that SS and LL are 'researching' the same thing...constantly. Arnelos> yeah... SS seems to be trying to purposely undercut LL in research UnOrthOdOx> Are you so sure? Arnelos> it might be the other way around... that's just my guess Arnelos> my guess is that SS is doing it on purpose Arnelos> counting on the fact that Tabemono and MAST are afraid of LL and thus more likely to make a deal with SS Arnelos> it just seems to be the way Togas thinks UnOrthOdOx> Worst case is Sunshine is researching FOR LL to pay for upgrades. Arnelos> possible Arnelos> I certainly wouldn't put it past them UnOrthOdOx> I'll bring the idea of a 3-way alliance to the forum. Arnelos> well, I'm not sure even my own team would support it, we'll see Arnelos> I have no idea how Sunshine would react UnOrthOdOx> I'm not sure we would either, frankly. Arnelos> in fact, I suspect that Sunshine wouldn't like it, but would feel compelled to go along with it if we really wanted it UnOrthOdOx> Well, SS and LL attacking either of us would be the smartest move for the both of them, I think. Arnelos> my suspicion is that Sunshine is looking at how an LL war with either Tabemono and/or MAST can help Sunshine end up on top afterwards... they don't want LL to win, but they also don't want LL beaten too easily... it's going to be rough getting their help on some stuff, I think UnOrthOdOx> Probably. Arnelos> frankly, I think Tabemono and MAST are going to have a mutual interest for some time - largely because once the LL threat is diminished (if we can manage that), Sunshine is going to become one UnOrthOdOx> At this point, though, having them remain neutral or against LL gaining land is the most important thing for the both of us. Arnelos> right Arnelos> which is why we're looking to sign their alliance Arnelos> we at least want them on our side Arnelos> well, I'll get my team discussing an alliance with you guys Arnelos> straight-up MPP or what else? UnOrthOdOx> I'll do the same. Arnelos> ok UnOrthOdOx> Yes for now. Arnelos> and we need to get both of our teams to build more units! Arnelos> LL is coming soon Arnelos> and we're whoefully under-prepared Arnelos> woefully UnOrthOdOx> We're watching the Mil Advisor for the time. UnOrthOdOx> We should notice the mass upgrade to give us a little time. Arnelos> I see what our strategy is, but it's going to be iffy Arnelos> we're going to need a lot of money for upgrades in a few turns UnOrthOdOx> We could possibly be in a position to aid in some of that. Arnelos> we finish Republic in 5 turns Arnelos> after that, we need to upgrade our military with every drop of gold we can get Arnelos> we have a lot of jaguar warriors Arnelos> so if we upgraded, we might have a decent shot UnOrthOdOx> I figured you would. Arnelos> we're going to need catapults Arnelos> that's been my knee-jerk gripe for ages... I'm going to make it louder now UnOrthOdOx> hehe. UnOrthOdOx> Sounds like me a few turns ago. Arnelos> stopping a stack of legionaries w/o catapults is going to be nigh-on impossible Arnelos> of course... there being 16 barb horsemen just south of us isn't helping anything UnOrthOdOx> Ouch. UnOrthOdOx> Hate to mention it, but in such a position I have purposely built a town for them to pillage before... Arnelos> that's not a bad idea Arnelos> we have a settler being completed in the capital next turn UnOrthOdOx> If you have no bank, a new town loses NOTHING... Arnelos> yup Arnelos> we have no money UnOrthOdOx> Let that horde of 40 horses just have a field day. Arnelos> not a bad idea at all UnOrthOdOx> If you DO have cash, we could hold it for the duration as well. Arnelos> we have a treasury of all of 9 gold Arnelos> we've been deficit researching Republic UnOrthOdOx> How much deficit? Arnelos> -3 GPT at the moment UnOrthOdOx> I'll bring that up and let the builders decide whether A: we can help with that research to get it quicker and B: whether we WANT republic quicker. Arnelos> what we desperately need is a lux UnOrthOdOx> hmmm. Kloreep> Will you have a harbor any time soon? UnOrthOdOx> How close to having a harbor are you? UnOrthOdOx> That's ALLOT of jungle to cut a road through. Arnelos> only way I see us getting a lux is from SS Arnelos> of course, they don't have one right now UnOrthOdOx> Perhaps we could get them to work on a joint road project with us. UnOrthOdOx> Connect us to them, and thus to you? Arnelos> certainly wouldn't hurt... there's 2 incense sources between you and an iron source UnOrthOdOx> (thus away from LL and subject to cutting) Arnelos> that's the other thing... we have no iron Arnelos> w/o iron, we can't upgrade those jags UnOrthOdOx> We should have access to 2 sources relatively soon. Arnelos> the only other thing is for us to poprush a harbor in IchBinEinStinker Arnelos> since we can see a coastal route around the far side of LL, we could have a harbor-to-harbor connection UnOrthOdOx> Yep. Arnelos> you guys have a harbor? UnOrthOdOx> We'll be happy to help with the Lux, and later an Iron. Arnelos> that would help tons UnOrthOdOx> We're working on one the local builderer tells me Kloreep> Arnelos: We'll have a harbor soon Arnelos> the lux would let us turn down our lux slider and more money to upgrades... the iron lets us upgrade AT ALL Kloreep> In abotu 5 turns I think Arnelos> ok Kloreep> So if you can build a harbor at your end, we can start trading Arnelos> I'll fight for changing the build in IchBinEinStinker to harbor... we pop rush it if need be Arnelos> thank god for that LL map Arnelos> w/o it we couldn' trade Kloreep> Won't that make the connection cutable though? UnOrthOdOx> Perhaps we should think of a joint scouting of the west coast... Arnelos> sea connections cannot be cut, I believe UnOrthOdOx> not at this point, Kloreep. UnOrthOdOx> Due to the islands. Arnelos> unless you blockade the port, AFAIK Kloreep> Do blockades need to be right next to the port? Arnelos> wait... does the connection work through hostile coastal waters? I believe it DOES... but we oughta check Kloreep> Yeah, that's what I was thinking Arnelos> sounds like a sim is in order Kloreep> Yeah Arnelos> the problem spot would be Afrodita Arnelos> LL southern coast Arnelos> of course, for now, we are at PEACE with LL, so it should be fine * Disconnected

	14-02-2004 16:10									#24
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Arnelos, trade routes will not go through enemy waters. If LLs cultural radius covers the coast tiles, it will get interrupted

	14-02-2004 23:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by bongo Arnelos, trade routes will not go through enemy waters. If LLs cultural radius covers the coast tiles, it will get interrupted

So it only works as long as we're at peace?

If so, that's good enough... we only need the iron long enough to upgrade our Jags to Swords. Once we have Swords rather than Jags, it can be cut and we won't care... we'll be building nothing but Spearmen and Catapults at that point.

	15-02-2004 00:56									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos So it only works as long as we're at peace?

Exactly.

	21-03-2004 23:27									#27
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sent this to Tabe

quote: Greetings Tabemonoians We have contact with CoD!!! if that had anything to do with you then we greatly appreciate it, thank you So how are things with Tabe? This turn we finished building a harbor and would like to talk lux trade as you have 2 different excess luxs. Would you be willing to trade these? In terms of price what would you think appropriate? Us getting one lux would save us 8 gpt and getting 2 luxs would save us 18 gpt. Therefore what would you say to a price of 4 gpt for 1 lux or 9 gpt for 2 lux? Also how are you for tech, SS said you are doing Feudalism? We were talking to them about the possiblity of us researching Invention and trading it to them for Mono and perhaps trading it to you for an Upfront Feudalism (as it is a pre-req) OPD ps- are you guys ok? We're slightly worried that neither you or SS have started a revolution to enter Rep yet?

	22-03-2004 00:49									#28
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got this as a response, am going in to find out whats going on

quote: Hi OPD, Re your comments in the "Save game comments" thread - there have been several things going on recently. If you have the time, we should arrange a chat between MAST and Tabemono to update each other on the global situation. If so, what day(s) and /or times are good for you ? I am currently in the #apolytonisdg chatroom if you want to talk. Regards, Sharpe

	22-03-2004 01:35									#29
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talk with Tabe on IRC

quote: *opd> hey hey *Sharpe> Hi, got my message? *opd> yup *Sharpe> You look at your turn yet? *opd> yeah was that you giving us contact? *Sharpe> yes *opd> ty *Sharpe> we traded yours and Sunshine's for Monkey's *Sharpe> However we are not permitted to trade you Monkeys by order of Python and Izzardia *opd> did you get my pm to Kloorep yet? *opd> ok *Sharpe> which pm is that? *opd> I sent him a pm about an hour ago *opd> so how long have you had contact? *Sharpe> no, Kloreep has been away for 4 days *Sharpe> a few turns *Sharpe> LL has been longer than us it seems *Sharpe> we were negotiating the contacts trade and a map trade *opd> yeah I would expect that *opd> well we offered CoD our map this turn *Sharpe> we now have their world map *opd> cool so how do things look? *Sharpe> the map was a tricky issue - they didn't want to trade, they wanted only territory map trades but finally we got a world map trade *Sharpe> interesting *Sharpe> we will likely be trading the map to you and Sunshine next turn *opd> cool *Sharpe> we think LL already traded maps *opd> did you have to pay for the map? *Sharpe> though we shall try to find out if they have *Sharpe> for certain *opd> how much? *Sharpe> no, straight map trade *opd> ok *Sharpe> it has all of Python, Monkey and Izzardia *opd> the whole world *Sharpe> the known world yes *Sharpe> how is the harbor status with MAST btw? *opd> finished this turn *Sharpe> k *opd> I spoke about that in the pm to kloreep *Sharpe> it might interest you to know that the other continent has no iron *opd> omg *Sharpe> they had 1 iron but it expired *opd> that's crazy *Sharpe> it is puzzling admittedly *Sharpe> you also see the new LL city? *opd> Panzer did make a funny map *opd> yeah to LL city *Sharpe> they landed yet another settler north of their new city as well *opd> I'll load up the game *Sharpe> we think they may try to head your way *Sharpe> k *opd> where did their settler land? *Sharpe> loading up game here just a sec *opd> I don't know about LL building cities towards us, it's all jungle and we'd likely culture rape them anyway *Sharpe> North of Leonor on a road *Sharpe> road goes as far west as Gisele now *Sharpe> and they have a worker E of Leonor *opd> hmmmn they may be going to block you off from the south *Sharpe> or cut you off *opd> do you see the SS iron source directly north of las vegas? *Sharpe> they might head S-S of that one tile lake *Sharpe> yes *Sharpe> re iron source yes *opd> they have 2 warrior 1 east of there *Sharpe> LL does? *opd> they have been moving northwards ie not towards any of their current cities *Sharpe> LL has 2 warriors near us too E of our new cities *Sharpe> new city I mean *opd> I doubt they'd build a city s,s of tehe 1 tile lake *Sharpe> 2 turns ago they had 2 warriors on our border and we had moved units to our side of the border (and just E of our border) and LL sent us a PM wondering what our intentions were *opd> for one we'd probably have it inside our culture by the time they got there, but also it'd be very prone to our culture *opd> hmmmm *Sharpe> yeah, your cheaper temples come in handy eh? *opd> yeah Virignscity expands soon *Sharpe> good the game will be useful to you *opd> and we're already pushing on yocasta *Sharpe> how are things with you and Sunshine these days? *opd> we're cool *opd> at least I think so, not much contact recently *opd> In my pm to Klp I ask about tech trades *opd> we have engineering atm and are wondering what to do next as you are doing feud *Sharpe> you have engineering already? *opd> yeah, swap for Rep and 80g *Sharpe> from LL? *opd> no SS *Sharpe> or SS *Sharpe> ah k *opd> btw why no Anarchy for you? *opd> or SS for that matter? *Sharpe> we are finishing up some things first *Sharpe> unlike you we will have several turns of anarchy *Sharpe> we are done feud soon *Sharpe> we aren't sure what we are doing next yet *opd> If you go for Chiv we'd quite like to do invention *opd> although we'd need Feud first *Sharpe> yeah I think so *Sharpe> re you needing Feud *Sharpe> SS should be done Monotheism soon I think - wonder what they will do next *opd> theo afaik *Sharpe> afaik? *opd> we spoke to them about techs a while ago *Sharpe> makes sense given their chosen style of play *opd> we wanted to do Theo, but they suggest we get feud from you and do invention instead *Sharpe> btw Python and Izzardia seem to be in a tight alliance *opd> yeah I would expect so *opd> how are the monkeys *Sharpe> weak *opd> do you know much of the political/territorial situation? *Sharpe> I suspect that in time there will only be 2 allied civs on that continent *Sharpe> still unravelling that *opd> Does war loom? *Sharpe> no, war exists *opd> wow *Sharpe> Monkey has lost 2 cities *opd> both against monkey? *Sharpe> maybe *Sharpe> certainly Izzardia *opd> kloreep is here *Sharpe> do you mind switching to a room so Kloreep can join us *opd> yup *opd> where to? *Sharpe> #feast meal *Sharpe> hmm, how do you set passwords *opd> dunno

	23-03-2004 01:21									#30
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Also spoke for a while in the tabemono room but am still waiting to get a log of that from Sharpe as I forgot