20-11-2003 19:52									#31
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Locutus, sorry to correct you, but even in PDF, you can include hyperlinks to webpages..........

	20-11-2003 19:55									#32
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To webpages (which works crappy, BTW), but AFAIK not to other parts of the same document. Or maybe you can, but it's still slow as arse, and can't be viewed online.

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	20-11-2003 22:46									#34
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I *think* that you can link to other parts of document in PDF... probably... but it indeed is slow!

Come on, what are the advatnages of PDF over HTML, after all?

	20-11-2003 23:46									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Come on, what are the advatnages of PDF over HTML, after all?

An HRML document is actal not one file it is a bunch of files if you have a lot of graphics in, so for online view via the internet it is ok, but if I wan't to save it local then I have to make shure that I catch everything and make shure everything is at the right place, for a *.pdf file I just need to download it and no other problems.

-Martin

	20-11-2003 23:50									#36
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The best would be an HTML file and a PDF file. Once you the HTML file is ready, it is very easy to translate it into PDF which is more... "printer friendly".

	21-11-2003 01:45									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Come on, what are the advatnages of PDF over HTML, after all?

1. Easy to create using existing page layout tools (without leading to crappy not-allround-compatible code)
2. Actually lends itself for printing. Displays and prints similarly.
3. Supports complex layout controls.
4. Packages publications in a single file.
5. Better suited to managing large documents.
...

Need I go on?

Anyway, I think LaTeX is the way to go. Why choose if you can have both?

	21-11-2003 03:13									#38
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I've often pondered that there should be a file type somewhat like a .jar file, the java archive thing, but with HTML. Stick the html files in a zip file, you go to open it, and the index.html displays in your browser. One file, lots of pages. Easy.

	21-11-2003 03:46									#39
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If its in a exe archive within the patch itself it can extract into the ctp2 under its own "manual" folder directory when the patch extracts too, then just make a shortcut to the index.html with the patch exe.

	21-11-2003 05:52									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat I've often pondered that there should be a file type somewhat like a .jar file, the java archive thing, but with HTML. Stick the html files in a zip file, you go to open it, and the index.html displays in your browser. One file, lots of pages. Easy.

Isn't a chtml file something like that?..

	21-11-2003 13:31									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Anyway, I think LaTeX is the way to go. Why choose if you can have both?

As I said, I had a look into it, but it seems rather complex. Also (what I wasn't able to find), is it free? Do you need anything as the reader to download?

I would still rather go for PDF

	21-11-2003 14:56									#42
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quote: LaTeX is available for free

Follow one of the hyper links of page one it will get you there also apparently according to others in the thread you can save a pdf so all you need as a end-user is acrobat

i posted it here for you so you don't have to go back

http://www.latex-project.org/

	21-11-2003 15:26									#43
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Jusr reading through some so called introductions..........

seems rather complex to me, espacially for backslash (\):

$\backslash$ command instead. It produces a \.

Jesus......all this just for a simple \

	21-11-2003 17:43									#44
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That's because the backslash is normally never used, only for special characters and stuff. The only place where it *is* used is in Windows paths, which once again proves how crappy MS is in its non-compliance to standards...

	21-11-2003 18:52									#45
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You can define your own abbreviation if backslashes appear often (like "\bs", for example) - that's one of the great powers of TeX. It's really not as compicated as it first apppears. Once you've written something with it, it all seems pretty obvious. For the purposes of this manual, it would be little different from writing everything out in plain text, with a few commands here and there for inserting figures, or making text italic, etc.

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	21-11-2003 19:53									#46
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Still haven't finished, but Yes you might be right, maybe only the first time is difficult.

The only thing, is it still easy to convert to pdf including graphics?

(haven't started on graphics yet..........)

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Thanks for the links Peter,J bytheway and The Big Mc

I've been going ahead with some stuff in a format i'm comfortable with - it can later be hacked up and converted into the final format of choice(i'll keep it txt for now). As i mentioned before - i think the main work may come later, when we can see what the release version of the new game will exactly be like, and its been play tested and commented upon.

	23-11-2003 01:37									#48
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor The Big Mc

I pinched it of page 1 of this very thread

	23-11-2003 03:07									#49
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well i wasn't going to say anything if you didn't

nice steal by the way

So can anyone see any problems if i just go ahead with a simple text restructure, i'll probably use wordpad or maybe word. Will it be easy to paste any text into later PDF/HTML standard(i would guess so)?

	23-11-2003 04:18									#50
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As long as its in txt format and in clear easy to read manner, someone can copy/paste into html page and dot some pictures around it, make it look special

	23-11-2003 19:24									#51
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for HTML, PDF and even this fancy Latex (makes me think of something else ) txt is fin for the moment.

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now now

	23-11-2003 21:40									#53
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When a Linux guru friend introduced me to Latex two years ago... I was thinking along the same lines as Gilg .

	24-11-2003 00:40									#54
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There's a big difference between Latex an LaTeX It's not even pronounced the same way...

	24-11-2003 01:37									#55
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Certainly not by geeks like you .

	23-01-2005 18:24									#56
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child of Thor
Hi
I'm kinda 'new kid on the block' so I thought I'd better introduce myself.
Although I've 20+ yrs IT experience it's all mainframe stuff (CICS, COBOL, TSO, that sort of thing) so, while I can more or less understand the coding mails, I can't really give any help with the modding.
BUT, I'm now a freelance copy-editor/proofreader so, if you ever need help with anything to do with the Manual/Tutorial(s?) drop me a line.

For what it's worth, way back in the 20th century I designed 6 military simulation boardgames which were commercially marketed. So I do have rules-writing experience, and some knowledge of game theory.
I've also just acquired ReadIris Pro 9 software, which is supposed to be able to convert most file formats into most other file formats,
Hope I can help.

	26-01-2005 17:11									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Mirimunchkin child of Thor Hi I'm kinda 'new kid on the block' so I thought I'd better introduce myself. Although I've 20+ yrs IT experience it's all mainframe stuff (CICS, COBOL, TSO, that sort of thing) so, while I can more or less understand the coding mails, I can't really give any help with the modding. BUT, I'm now a freelance copy-editor/proofreader so, if you ever need help with anything to do with the Manual/Tutorial(s?) drop me a line. For what it's worth, way back in the 20th century I designed 6 military simulation boardgames which were commercially marketed. So I do have rules-writing experience, and some knowledge of game theory. I've also just acquired ReadIris Pro 9 software, which is supposed to be able to convert most file formats into most other file formats, Hope I can help.

Hey Mirimunchkin

Yeah thanks for the offer, and when i've done my bit and others have done theirs, we may well call upon your skills to polish everything up

Oh and welcome to the CTP2 section

[dont worry. things move slowly around here, so you wont get swamped with cries for help......at least not from me ]

	24-03-2005 06:16									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus To webpages (which works crappy, BTW), but AFAIK not to other parts of the same document. Or maybe you can, but it's still slow as arse, and can't be viewed online.

For the record, it is certainly possible to have in-document links in PDF - if using LaTeX, the hyperref package will make all cross-references you supply into links automatically.

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uh, im posting here cuz this one has more new (and old) posts, but i hope we can keep this discussion to one thread... http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=124347

also, this is like the only thing i can do around here so i'll be happy to help