18-11-2003 04:42									#1
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turn report for 1575 BC

Units:  

1. Asskicker – NM
2. Waterboy – NM
3. Uday -  and settler - N
4. Jags are fun - W
5. Dangeresque – E,N
6. Steve - E pop hut - maps
7. Porchse- SE,SE
8. Other - NM

workers:

Saddam: roading by 3rd
hardwork: irrigating by 3rd
new worker: mining by 2nd 

Cities:

Capital(4) +5 Food, +3 Production
00/20 (4 turns)
17/30 settler (5 (4)turns)

-- 01 02 03 --
04 AA AA 07 AA
09 AA CA 12 13
14 15 16 17 18
-- 19 20 21 –


2nd City(2) +2 Food, +2 Production
4/20 (8 turns)
4/30 Settler (13 turns)

-- XX XX XX --
XX 05 06 AA XX
XX 10 2C 12 XX
XX 15 16 17 18
-- AA 3C 21 --


Third city (2) +2 Food, +2 Production
02/20 (9 turns)
00/10 JW (5 turns)

-- XX AA 03 --
XX 05 06 AA 08
XX 10 3C 12 13
XX 15 16 17 18
-- XX XX XX --


Research 90% -> Code of laws - 15 turns
Lux 10%

-1 Gold per turn
Treasury: 134 Gold

Last edited by OPD on 18-11-2003 at 22:47

	18-11-2003 13:03									#2
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I play

	18-11-2003 13:16									#3
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City #3 builds warrior, promptly renamed to 'My Other Warriors are Jaguars too'. Next item -> jaguar( a placeholder)

Shuffle workforce in capitol (growth and settler in 5)

Asskicker, waterboy, other. stay put.
Porsche - se,se (meeting settler escort)
Today+settler - n
Jaguars - w, out of LL Land
Dangeruesqe - e,n
Steve - e,pop hut(Change city builds temporary) - got maps, boring..at least we have crossed the jungle. open land ahead.

Now we're #6 in Territory and gnp.

Taking some screenshots before I end the turn.

	18-11-2003 13:48									#4
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Sent to sunshine, screenshots updated. The hippies have built another city(visible in screenshot)

Krakan, can you please top the screenshot thread?

	18-11-2003 13:56									#5
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Thanks bongo, you rock.

Don't know why OPD couldn't open it, but I was busy with other demo games this evening. Despite the fact that the ISDG isn't moving AT ALL, there was still work to with other demo games this evening.

I was elected Consul of the Apolyton ISDG team 2 weeks ago and I've done a grand total of ONE TURN in that time! At this rate, I'll get to do 6 turns over my 3-month term

Guess that gives me more time to play in the new C3C DG I'm playing in at MZO and to help out around here (since RP Team isn't going to be around forever)

	18-11-2003 15:05									#6
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Yeah, ISDG has stopped dead after some new fury about the 'fortify all' exploit.

Do you know if the poly team has used this exploit against other teams? Or if any team has used it widely?

	18-11-2003 21:23									#7
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I can read email again also the powercut thats being annoying me all day has ended.

AFAIK team poly has never used the fortify all thing after people from GS claimed it made no difference.

	18-11-2003 22:38									#8
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I hope you don't mind Bongo but I've replayed the turn using different tile placement in the capital. I did everything else the way you said.

Hopefully now it should be growth and settler in 4 turns rather than in 5 turns.

I've edited the first post to show turn report

Last edited by OPD on 18-11-2003 at 22:50

	18-11-2003 23:40									#9
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I already sent the save to sunshine, which one will they use for further play?

About the fortify-all exploit, I haven't tested it myself but it is supposed to be an one-way cheat. If we move a stack next to one of SS-cities and hit fortify-all, then the stack will be fortified on SS's turn, even if none of our units had movement points left. It won't work the other way, as the fortification is done on the end of a turn( on the transition from last to first player). MaST is the last player so we're immune to this trick(so is GWT BTW), while SS are unable to use it at all.



@ Ninja Kid, great summary in the poll BTW. Hope we can get on with the game soon.

	19-11-2003 00:07									#10
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ah I see,

using this trick we could also theoretically attack a SS city from 4 tiles away using JW's on goto?

not that I agree to do that it sounds like an exploit to me.

	19-11-2003 00:15									#11
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No... I don't think so. The exploit is that you can move AND fortify in one turn, even if you don't have movement points left. So you could move 10 pikes onto an un-roaded mountain and get them fortified in the same turn. Except that this bug works upwards in the playlist. Player #3 can use it against #2 but not #4 and so on.

	19-11-2003 02:39									#12
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hmmmn I suppose it is justifiyable to use this but it is also justifyable to complain about its use.

I don't think we should use though, I think it's alot better to win without other teams being able to claim you had an advantage due to a bug. I like to beat someone and have them know they were beaten and that I played better than them.

	19-11-2003 03:45									#13
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quote: Originally posted by bongo @ Ninja Kid, great summary in the poll BTW. Hope we can get on with the game soon.

Thank you bongo...

...but I have only sad my opinion and the game can go on

Jetzt muss ich wieder in Deutsch schreiben

Ich habe für die Klärung dieses Exploits (fast) das ganze Programm »auseinander« genommen.
Letztendlich mußte auch der Sir einsehen, dass es nicht in Ordnung ist, »fortify all« zu benutzen.

Ich bin klar gegen die Anwendung dieses Exploits!

	19-11-2003 12:42									#14
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Seem like we all agree on not using it then Good.