19-11-2003 10:28									#1
	How come the issue of droid slavery is never brought up in star wars? Increase the size of your Attachments

These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

	19-11-2003 10:28									#2
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they have no emotions.

unless you count C3PO as being a pussie

	19-11-2003 10:30									#3
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Thats debatible, but that aside....

Some show self preservation-almost all show unquestionable sentience.

	19-11-2003 10:32									#4
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	19-11-2003 10:33									#5
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Droids got no tits & ass, so who cares?

	19-11-2003 10:36									#6
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because george lucas is the biggest tool in the world

	19-11-2003 11:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

Because everyone knows that Droids are sub-human scum who deserve their place in life. Obviously its just a fluke the R2-D2 can essentially outsmart Luke Skywalker and appears to express emotions spontaniously...

	19-11-2003 11:20									#8
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star wars has always been racist. just look closely at the themes.

	19-11-2003 11:34									#9
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George Lucas is clearly an Anglophobe. Why else would all the head baddies be British?

	19-11-2003 12:55									#10
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Because they're so good at it?

	19-11-2003 12:56									#11
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quote: Why else would all the head baddies be British?

Because Brits can actually act? I wish the good guys were all British, too.

	19-11-2003 13:01									#12
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Because they are not part of the "force?" There is an explanation of the force in Episode IV that says it is created by "living beings."

	19-11-2003 13:49									#13
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quote: Why else would all the head baddies be British?

its a subtle refrence to the revolutionary war.

seriously, Brits are good at being bad.

	19-11-2003 19:10									#14
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'cause none of them crushed the head of his owner because the owner wanted to decomission him in favor of the newer models.

that, and they didn't get to set up their own city in the middle east.

	19-11-2003 22:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed 'cause none of them crushed the head of his owner because the owner wanted to decomission him in favor of the newer models. that, and they didn't get to set up their own city in the middle east.

LOL!!!

	19-11-2003 22:15									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

It is, see Jabba's treatment of his droids.

The good guys droids are more like loyal servants (originally the concept for them comes from the bickering peasants in Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress).

The Imperial droids and Jabba's droids have restraining bolts fitted which means they have to do what they are ordered, the good guys droids don't.

	19-11-2003 22:17									#17
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What about the Jawas? Slave trade and all.

Yet, in Episode 1 it was more about enslaving humans, they then switch to droids after the revolt, or whatever.

	19-11-2003 22:20									#18
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Yep, first thing they do is put restraining bolts on them, which Luke only removes from artoo to get the message to play.

	19-11-2003 23:10									#19
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this is soooo nerdy


Well, it is in a galaxy far far away, so maybe things are different there. Maybe the droids only seeem to have emotions. though C-3PO is clearly more human then some of the humans! though that said, Luke did save their lives, so maybe that is why they are so obediant?

	20-11-2003 00:33									#20
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Every knave must have a slave.

	20-11-2003 00:45									#21
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What I don't understand is why the other species in the galaxies, looking at the power structure of Evil, doesn't wipe a certain species from the memory of the Universe:

Emperor: Head Evil. Human. Destroyed the Republic, planets, dreams.

Darth Vader: Second Evil in Charge. Also human. Commander of battleship that destroyed above planets.

Luke Skywalker: Evil in Training. Human again.

Stormtroopers: Didn't see many non-humans there, nor among the Empires hierarchy.

Really, for the good of the galaxy, sterilize this planet now!

	20-11-2003 00:45									#22
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Forget about droids, how about stop molesting your computers. I mean, how would you liked it if someone was touching you like the way you do when you type?

	20-11-2003 00:50									#23
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Depends who it was, and where.

	20-11-2003 00:55									#24
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quote: These machines are obviously sentient

Prove it. Their "emotions" could have been programmed/hard wired. The fact that humans developed attachments to them doesn't make any more human.

That's like saying your dishwasher or toaster is a slave; both are for strictly utilitarian purposes.

	20-11-2003 01:04									#25
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No way, I respect my toaster and it respects me. We have an understanding, my toaster and I.

	20-11-2003 01:26									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Prove it. Their "emotions" could have been programmed/hard wired.

Prove that ours aren't.

	20-11-2003 01:35									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Prove that ours aren't.

In some cases they are, but the effects of lack of early stimulation on the brain are evident in countless ways.

A droid fresh off the assembly wouldn't suffer from the same lack of stimulation. His personality, and utilatarian traits ( translation, protocol, etc.), are built in, just like software on your hard drive.

	20-11-2003 01:43									#28
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Ok, I don't need one way, just one example that proves our emotions aren't pre-programmed. (something like learning that something makes you sad isn't proof, that just means we have a "makes you sad" program which has an editable list of inputs that can trigger it. )

	20-11-2003 01:49									#29
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quote: Forget about droids, how about stop molesting your computers. I mean, how would you liked it if someone was touching you like the way you do when you type?

it's so easy to keep my computer turned on. besides, there are plenty of times when i fsck the computer, or finger the computer, or touch the computer...

besides, i know where every single one of the computer's buttons are... and i can press them repeatedly until the computer does what i want.

	20-11-2003 02:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Ok, I don't need one way, just one example that proves our emotions aren't pre-programmed. (something like learning that something makes you sad isn't proof, that just means we have a "makes you sad" program which has an editable list of inputs that can trigger it. )

The fact that our emotions are so perception-driven from moment to moment makes a strong case that we're not "pre-programmed". There's also the fact that we also heavily rely on past experience, and the perception of future outcomes, that shape our emotions.

The droids exhibit very little of that behaviour in the movies, IIRC. For the most part, their "emotional" reactions are taken from human cues about what is threatening, what is pleasing. The only droid, in the entire movies, who exhibits behaviour outside of these bounds is C3PO, and that's decieving because of his built-in duties as protocol/translation droid. For the most part, the rest of the droids in the star wars universe are service automatons, and don't exhibit anything close to sentience.