21-11-2003 12:31									#1
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Who here likes indie music? Some of the most recognizable bands being At the Drive-In, Modest Mouse, Bright Eyes, Cursive, etc... Some of my fav bands are Desaparecidos, Death Cab For Cutie, Cursive, At the Drive-In, The Postal Service, Pinback, Modest Mouse, and a lot of others. Who likes this sort of music? There's gotta be some of you out there that do. When I first heard a lot of the music I didn't like a lot of it since it takes time getting used to it. There isn't a whole lot of exposure for it. Once you start to listen to it more to understand the greatness of it you will truly love it. A lot of it (i.e. Death Cab, Postal Service) can be truly beautiful while other bands can be extremely unique (i.e. Cursive, At the Drive-In). Oh yes it's wonderful music with all sorts of variety.

Just to clear things up, independent bands and indie music are two completely different things. Indi

	21-11-2003 13:23									#2
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	21-11-2003 13:42									#3
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That's a very detailed and elaborate response.

	21-11-2003 13:44									#4
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I do.

	21-11-2003 13:46									#5
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I hate indie and you snivelling little twee indie ****s more than any other genre in the world at the moment.

	21-11-2003 13:50									#6
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Come on, Buck, tell us what you really think!

	21-11-2003 14:01									#7
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quote: I do.

Mmmmk, that's better.

quote: I hate indie and you snivelling little twee indie ****s more than any other genre in the world at the moment.

Aren't you just a clever little fellar. How cute.

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Indie fans are a lot like furries.

	21-11-2003 14:18									#9
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Ok, that's fantastic.

	21-11-2003 14:57									#10
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I dig Modest Mouse and Grandaddy, but a lot of indie music seems to be too cool to be any good. Quite unfortunate.

	21-11-2003 15:14									#11
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I like some indie - well, a lot of indie - but much of it is, as Felch said, too cool to be any good.

quote: Indie fans are a lot like furries.

This is true indie.

	21-11-2003 17:56									#12
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Indie music? isn't that just short for independent music as in music produced by artists on record labels that market and distribute themselves?

	21-11-2003 18:27									#13
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No, that's music put out by the "indies". Indie music doesn't have to be released on an independent record company at all although I suppose when the term was originally applied the independence from big publishers was part of the perceived independence of the music form.

That said, the style is actively obscurationist and prides itself at being not just non-commercial but deeply counter-commercial, with bands prefering a fan base of 150 in-crowd ****ers in tiny, stupidly named clubs to one of millions.

Indie is basically the musical analogy of the upper-middle-class mindset at high school- a combination of a strong belief in one's own profundity and cleverness with a total lack of experience of the world. Also, there's the factor of "twee"- grown men and women yearning for a lost, pre-sexual childhood but coming across mostly as a disturbing and twisted parody of said time of life. Throw in a healthy helping of whininess, ridiculous pseudointellectualism, a smidgen of uncommitted irony and the colour brown and you've basically got what indie is about.

(In practice it involves young men in glasses playing acoustic guitars in a cloud of awful 90s production dross.)

	21-11-2003 19:05									#14
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I'm an indie music fan -- and, per Buck's hair-splitting, and indie band fan. This is the only scene where there's a decent chance of catching something new before it either disappears or is ruined. I judge each piece of music on its merit.

Death Cab for Cutie is good. Saw them in Austin @SXSW last spring.

Another cool group is Oxes.

I noticed that Stuie has/is a one-man band. He's got a couple tunes posted on acidplanet.com.

I would assume there are at least a couple more Poly members with bands...

	21-11-2003 20:11									#15
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could someone translate this...

quote: That said, the style is actively obscurationist and prides itself at being not just non-commercial but deeply counter-commercial, with bands prefering a fan base of 150 in-crowd ****ers in tiny, stupidly named clubs to one of millions. Indie is basically the musical analogy of the upper-middle-class mindset at high school- a combination of a strong belief in one's own profundity and cleverness with a total lack of experience of the world. Also, there's the factor of "twee"- grown men and women yearning for a lost, pre-sexual childhood but coming across mostly as a disturbing and twisted parody of said time of life. Throw in a healthy helping of whininess, ridiculous pseudointellectualism, a smidgen of uncommitted irony and the colour brown and you've basically got what indie is about. (In practice it involves young men in glasses playing acoustic guitars in a cloud of awful 90s production dross.)

does it just mean greenwich village people? rich, young people with no experiences playing intellectual?

	21-11-2003 22:53									#16
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Birdseed's opinions are drawn on a very narrow source.

In the period 1987- 1990 the Indie scene was unbelieveable. Music was being redefined by bands like My Bloody Valentine, Spacemen 3, Loop, Nurse With Wound, Coil and assorted offshoots. It was genuinely new and unlimited. Meanwhile on the other wing of Indie bands like Pixies and the Stone Roses blew open the mainstream and redefined popular music.

Now that's "Indie". It's freedom from the commercial strictures of the major labels- where the only limits are your imagination and courage.

	21-11-2003 23:16									#17
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I thoght "indie music" in the thread title might be Indian music and I was interested who might listen to it. After all some people MUST like the weird high pitched howling that appears in the films (and elsewhere of course).

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I thought the same thing Spenc... I am convinced that Bollywood music is sung by only 2 people, but with 1000s of lip syncers...

	22-11-2003 00:04									#19
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And you'd in fact be right, although it's more like five or six. Someone like Mohammed Rafi could easily record something like 25 000 songs each...

Of course, Bollywood isn't really my scene when it comes to indian music. Much prefer Bhangra (Punjabi folk music as updated to modernity by punjabi emigrants in the the UK and US) and especially Chutney (A mixture of Soca and classic Hindi pop that's the music of the indian population of Trinidad).

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The best band around nowadays is "The Pillows".

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Pillows? Is that one of Jacko's kids

	22-11-2003 02:28									#22
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Indie is a broad church. It's really just a catch all term that has been used to describe everyone from Snakefarm through Tarnation to Lush, Mercury Rev, Throwing Muses, early R.E.M., Stereolab and the cool indiepop of St. Etienne.

Buck seems to be on bit of a Patagonian nose flute trip at the moment .... ....although I too would normally opt for some 'ethnic' music over the latest jejune Velvet Underground/Stooges retread.

But music is like painting- everyone has their own thing, and I've met people who never listen to anything resembling 'world' music. I own no heavy metal or rap music- two genres that leave me cold. Reggae does little for me either, but I like early ska.

	22-11-2003 03:17									#23
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Actually I hate world music too with a resounding passion. The phrase "neo-colonial intellectuals with superiority complexes denying third world peoples' their modernity and their right to cultural self-identification" comes to mind.

"My" music in this case revolves around various ethnic communities in the west and elsewhere doing creative things with new technology that don't end up sounding like "standard" mainstream pop. Jamaican dancehall, East Caribbean soca, bhangra, chutney, Brazilian carioca funk, South African kwaito, Houston screw, Atlanta crunk, Detroit ghetto-tech, Indonesian dangdut, Tanzanian bongo flava hip hop, bit of merengue, bit of raļ, bit of French-Carribbean zouk, Arabic and Turkish pop, Miami bass, New Orleans bounce, some UK garage etc.

	22-11-2003 03:36									#24
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I like Ju-Ju music and Nigerian Jazz, i.e. Ali Farke Tour, Baba Maal, and a some other ones I can't really spell.

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umm buck... Jamaican dancehall and southern crunk are pretty damn mainstream in the US... crunk is too mainstream now in fact to the point of it being quite annoying and stupid

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer umm buck... Jamaican dancehall and southern crunk are pretty damn mainstream in the US... crunk is too mainstream now in fact to the point of it being quite annoying and stupid

Jamaican dancehall != Sean Paul

	22-11-2003 16:41									#27
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Oh, I don't care if they sell well, in fact I encourage it, I think the more good music sells the better. They're still regional genres, you don't see anyone making crunk outside Atlanta do you? Dancehall by virtue of its longer history gets copied pretty much everywhere, from South Africa to Germany, but Jamaica is still outstanding qualitatively.

What I meant is, I want groups of people doing their own thing rather than just copying what they hear on the radio. I suppose something as internationally prevalent as the Hampton Roads sound could be considered such an original, regional genre too, and it's not like I don't listen to that...

And reds, how's Sean Paul not Dancehall?

	22-11-2003 16:43									#28
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Indie is a broad church. It's really just a catch all term that has been used to describe everyone from Snakefarm through Tarnation to Lush, Mercury Rev, Throwing Muses, early R.E.M., Stereolab and the cool indiepop of St. Etienne. Buck seems to be on bit of a Patagonian nose flute trip at the moment .... ....although I too would normally opt for some 'ethnic' music over the latest jejune Velvet Underground/Stooges retread. But music is like painting- everyone has their own thing, and I've met people who never listen to anything resembling 'world' music. I own no heavy metal or rap music- two genres that leave me cold. Reggae does little for me either, but I like early ska.

Molly- get your arse over to Counterglow. You'd love the "LWP" sessions on the music forum.

	23-11-2003 01:58									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed And reds, how's Sean Paul not Dancehall?

I mean't he's not the 'be all and end all', the fact that him, Beanie Man, GhostFaceKiller and one or two others have started to sell well in the USA doesn't make dancehall mainstream


Sean Paul == Dancehall is true

Dancehall == Sean Paul is false

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I thoght "indie music" in the thread title might be Indian music and I was interested who might listen to it. After all some people MUST like the weird high pitched howling that appears in the films (and elsewhere of course).

I'd take bollywood over britney spears.