21-11-2003 15:09									#1
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In view of the main use of this forum in these :sob: days of decline :sob:, I would like to propose that this forum be re-named:

Civ2 - General/Help/Succession

	21-11-2003 15:25									#2
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If you really want to change the name of our little corner of the net then why not just Civ 2 General?
I don't see the need for a subforum for SXN games, or even a name change to reflect their near dominance.
We still want people to come here to play the OCC and early landing comparisons!

	21-11-2003 19:21									#3
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I agree that succession gaming needs a better identity, but would tweak you idea a bit, Stu, with a nod to the duke's thought.

Change Strategy to General/Help/Strategy.

Change General/Help to Succession/Comparison Games.

This way, there's no net change in the number of forums; they're just reorganized a bit more logically.

	21-11-2003 19:43									#4
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I'd like to see two forums - Civ 2 General and Civ 2 Strategy/Help. That'd be the best situation as far as I'm concerned. Then people who are having trouble with the technical side can go and ask in the strategy forum, and the spammy "which is your favourite unit" polls can go here.

	21-11-2003 20:39									#5
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I like Jrabbit's suggestion

	21-11-2003 20:57									#6
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I think if you would like to see forum usage increased, you should give it a more attractive name. A name that says to users, "You want to find out what's in there". Something like "Civ 2 - Electric Boogaloo"..

	21-11-2003 22:09									#7
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I third JRabbit's thoughts.

	21-11-2003 22:17									#8
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Though -Jrabbit makes a logical suggestion (by function), I favor Stu's offering. It has the value of not making a hash of any future archive.

Monk

	21-11-2003 22:27									#9
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definately needs new name. i went browsing for help and found lovely succession games....

	22-11-2003 00:51									#10
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Another vote for JRabbits proposal. Succession and Comparison games push General and Help threads down too quickly. Combine General and Help with Strategy and maybe they will look in the Great Library first before asking what an SSC is for the Nth time...

	22-11-2003 03:36									#11
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JRabbit's proposal is good. But what will happen with all those old threads? Or is it posible to join Strategy and General forums and to move several tens of threads to a new Succession/Comparison forum (edited - formerly thread)?

Last edited by SlowThinker on 22-11-2003 at 16:33

	22-11-2003 03:47									#12
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Thanks, ST. That's what I was trying to point out.

Monk

	22-11-2003 10:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Feephi I think if you would like to see forum usage increased, you should give it a more attractive name. A name that says to users, "You want to find out what's in there".

How about Civ2-General/Help/Celebrity Porn

	22-11-2003 11:10									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow I third JRabbit's thoughts.

I fourth them - and yet there are only three votes for the "something else" change.

RJM at Sleeper's

	22-11-2003 18:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit I agree that succession gaming needs a better identity, but would tweak you idea a bit, Stu, with a nod to the duke's thought. Change Strategy to General/Help/Strategy. Change General/Help to Succession/Comparison Games. This way, there's no net change in the number of forums; they're just reorganized a bit more logically.

	23-11-2003 01:14									#16
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Jrabbit's proposal is OK, provided it doesn't lead to messing up the archive.

	24-11-2003 20:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by rjmatsleepers I fourth them - and yet there are only three votes for the "something else" change. RJM at Sleeper's

I voted banana -- the least restrictive option.

	24-11-2003 21:36									#18
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Certainly Succession/Comparison games deserve their own forum every bit as much as PBEM and iirc 3 democracy games.

General/Help per se is seldom used outside the games we post there -- just an occasional inquiry. Similarly, Strategy is rarely used for new topics these days. It's mostly a gateway to the GL. That's why I suggested combining them.

Civ2 is well-explored. Its fora should emphasize where its current popularity lies -- in the various ways it is played, keeping this game fresh and vital for all.

It seems my proposal has some support. Interested to see what Stu thinks. Let's find a consensus and bring it to the site owners!

Last edited by -Jrabbit on 24-11-2003 at 21:42

	25-11-2003 00:40									#19
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I agree, but my questions still remain:

Is it technically possible to reorganize forums? More intimately...

1. Is it possible to join two forums?
2. Is it possible to take several tens of threads and move them to the new (Succession/Comparison) forum?
3. Is there any volunteer for such a work among us?

	25-11-2003 01:16									#20
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I like jrabbit's suggestion

	25-11-2003 04:43									#21
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I don't think the general should be dropped......this is the right forum for general Civ2 related queries. But given the extent of succession gaming it probably deserves a reference.

	25-11-2003 13:43									#22
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FYI:
About a year ago I had a PM discussion with Ming re the prospect of creating a Succession/Comparison forum - we decided that doing this would effectively kill off General/Help and possibly even Strat as well

My proposal was predicated on the assumption that there could not be a thread reorganisation, just a re-naming -- perhaps, given the obvious 12-3 agreement in favour of some new approach, we should make some polite enquiries as to what is poaaible and what just ain't going to happen ...

	25-11-2003 14:30									#23
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I'm interested that we've yet to have, if not an "official" response, then at least a response from an official - probably Ming saying that it would take hours to identify what went where and a huge amount of time to switch them all.

	25-11-2003 19:51									#24
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I must be quite conservative, although I am not that old
I voted to keep it that way.

I think it's either a new place, specially for succession games, either like it is now. I find other names too long.

By the way, the general/help is the only one I am visiting these days (shame on me)

	25-11-2003 20:05									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida By the way, the general/help is the only one I am visiting these days (shame on me)

Why not have a look at the Strategy forum before you finish cleaning room 2953 at The Institute ?

	25-11-2003 20:30									#26
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Why not have a look at the Strategy forum before you finish cleaning room 2953 at The Institute ?

Because of room 2954

	29-11-2003 01:08									#27
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Jrabbit's proposal sounds good.

And, AFAIK, it is possible to move threads from one forum to another.

	30-11-2003 23:29									#28
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I think that JRabbit's suggestion is probably best.

	01-12-2003 19:21									#29
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Jrabbit's suggestion seems nice.

	02-12-2003 23:43									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker 1. Is it possible to join two forums? 2. Is it possible to take several tens of threads and move them to the new (Succession/Comparison) forum? 3. Is there any volunteer for such a work among us?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. not me.

I like it the way it is now. I don't think we need any changes. The current form supports what has been, what is, and what is likely to happen in the future.

RAH