21-11-2003 22:18									#31
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Ahhhhh, hell. The Constitution is a guideline.
It gets suspended on occasion.
Start swimming, Che. Cuba is closer.

	21-11-2003 23:34									#32
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Well, seeing as how the Bush admin has been harping on about gases and germs (despite the fact that they are pretty useless), I'd expect them to react more strongly to a gas/germ attack that killed a few dozen people than to a truck bombing that killed a few hundred.

	22-11-2003 06:14									#33
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quote: that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country

I must have missed the part of history where the US was demilitarized.

	22-11-2003 06:23									#34
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quote: what would be interesting is if someone brought a nuclear weapon right up to Capitol hill and let it off while congress was in session. that would really f up the US democratic system

Not really. It would get rid of all the power hungry, rights grabbing, pork barreling, over spending, special interest tools also known as today's politicians.

	22-11-2003 07:11									#35
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che,

quote: Dude, the minute the big C is suspended I'm swimming to the Bahamas.

Or come down to Texas with me and help me start a resistance movement. I'd be all for armed resistance if this were to happen.

Slowwhand,

quote: Ahhhhh, hell. The Constitution is a guideline. It gets suspended on occasion.

That's unconstitutional. The Constitution is NOT a "guideline", it is a firm and binding set of restrictions on the federal government, and, in some cases, on the states.

	22-11-2003 07:33									#36
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I wonder if we would be branded as traitors and charged with sedition DF.

	22-11-2003 07:34									#37
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Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, or so said Oscar Wilde. I'd call it the last refuge for the tyrant.

	22-11-2003 07:39									#38
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If we don't have the Constitution to defend in a war, then what is the point?

	22-11-2003 07:39									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia I wonder if we would be branded as traitors and charged with sedition DF.

I would thik that the charge is treason.

Treason-- engaging in war against the United States, or haboring and supporting an enemy of the United States during wartime.

	22-11-2003 08:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, or so said Oscar Wilde. I'd call it the last refuge for the tyrant.

Your quoting Oscar Wilde? That dude was a nut, get somebody better. Patriotism is simply proud loyalty, my friend.


Armed resistance against the country is treason, punishable by death, and I doubt a group of Texans with hunting rifles could take on the US military.

Besides, the big C will never be suspended and if it did the military wouldn't be for it, every soldier, marine, airman, and seaman take an oath when they enlist to uphold and defend the Consitution from all threats, foreign and domestic. Their oath is to defend Americans and America and by doing this they give their loyalty and their duty to defend the Constitution, I know I took the oath not to long ago.

	22-11-2003 08:25									#41
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quote: Besides, the big C will never be suspended and if it did the military wouldn't be for it, every soldier, marine, airman, and seaman take an oath when they enlist to uphold and defend the Consitution from all threats, foreign and domestic.

I seriously doubt that's true. Soldiers are indoctrinated to follow orders, and besides, those who want to suspend the Constitution would find some trumped up "Constitutional" way to do so.

	22-11-2003 08:34									#42
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The only good thing about something like this--this was noted in the gay marriage thread as well--is that anyone who wants to suspend the C will be remembered as utter a55holes in the history books.

Unless we nuke ourselves to hell. At least the aliens will have some type of archeological data indicating men named Bush and Ashcroft are losers.

	22-11-2003 12:38									#43
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**** that.

If that happens, you will see Dissident take up arms against the U.S. goverment.

Nothing means more to me than the U.S. constitution.

	22-11-2003 12:47									#44
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at Apolyton's wannabe Militia

	22-11-2003 12:48									#45
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I haven't read much of the thread.

quote: Wouldn't the opposite be true as well? Isn't it likely that in the wake of a catastrophic WMD attack, that the nation would cherish the consitution and want to strengthen its democratic beliefs even more?

Yeah, Sep11 really did that

quote: Patriotism is simply proud loyalty, my friend.

True, however it can quickly escelate into jingoism and fascism.

quote: and I doubt a group of Texans with hunting rifles could take on the US military.

But you repeat yourself In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure if there was a significant civilian resistence movement after the suspension of the constiution and the current government was unwilling to reinstate it, then foreign countries would intervene.

	22-11-2003 13:42									#46
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I seriously doubt that's true. Soldiers are indoctrinated to follow orders, and besides, those who want to suspend the Constitution would find some trumped up "Constitutional" way to do so.

bullshit of course.

I knew when I swore my oath, that I was swearing to the constitution not some stupid president. You underestimate the intelligence of people in the military. The military would be having deserters all over the place. Hell, most people in the navy and air force aren't in the military for any kind of patriotic reason. They are in there because it is a job, and they get job training.

Only the least intelligent and most patriotic service would retain any semblance of a military- the U.S. Marines

	22-11-2003 14:30									#47
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger If it it exploded near it, certainly.

I knew I was going to be way too late with this, so I didn't bother.

	22-11-2003 14:52									#48
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The Constitution wouldn't end, it would just be warped into something that George Washington wouldn't recognize, eventually becoming so unused that no one cared about it.

	22-11-2003 14:56									#49
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it already is that way

as for the paper itself. It would certainly be destroyed.

What you guys don't realise about Hiroshima is that even though the stone buildings remained. Everything that can burn inside them did burn. And yes paper can burn. A nuke blast sends a firestorm that envelopes everything. Sure empty shells remain. But everything inside those shells is burned beyond recognition.

	22-11-2003 15:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS The Constitution wouldn't end, it would just be warped into something that George Washington wouldn't recognize, eventually becoming so unused that no one cared about it.

	22-11-2003 15:54									#51
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No one would formally repeal or suspend the US constitution. What for? Just creates emotional distress among the peasants. Way easier to further strengthen the oligarchic and authoritarian elements of the political system.

What will happen to all the TV news networks, for example? All news will be FOX news.

	22-11-2003 23:37									#52
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Suspending the Consititution would cause too much havoc anyway and would be counterproductive to the aims of the people who did it. And while some portions of the military would remain following their orders blindly, I strongly believe most of the military would point their rifles in the opposite directions, their backs towards the Constitution they swore to defend. It would be an unlawful order to go against the Constitution, and soldiers know its unlawful to obey unlawful orders, right? The military ain't made up of mindless zombies like many seem to believe(well maybe except for the jarheads).

	23-11-2003 00:12									#53
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country I must have missed the part of history where the US was demilitarized.

...or Canada for that matter

	23-11-2003 08:02									#54
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Weren't you banned?

	23-11-2003 08:19									#55
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Think about who the sitting President is. Do you think that, given that excuse, he wouldn't jump at the chance to suspend the Constitution and become President for Life. We are talking about someone who knows damn well he wasn't elected in the first place and owes his office to the violation of the Constitution. The question, however, is given how pissed the military and CIA are at him, how long he'd make it before they removed him from power?

It is simply amazing how a Communist who advocates the violent overthrow of the United States government and its constitution would accuse any president of the likelihood of overthrowing the United States Constitution.

Hypocricsy anyone?

	23-11-2003 10:50									#56
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They don't need to even suspend the Constitution. Under a series of cases from the Civil War, the Supreme Court ruled that in a war zone, or in any area under martial law, i.e. bases, habeas corpus may be suspended. You think that if a nuke blows up, the civillian authorities will be left alone to solve the problem?

	23-11-2003 11:02									#57
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Those SCOTUS rulings do not match the wording of the Constitution, or any imaginable intent.

	23-11-2003 12:16									#58
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quote: Those SCOTUS rulings do not match the wording of the Constitution, or any imaginable intent.

Sorry David:

The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

They match the wording of the Constitution very well.