24-11-2003 04:47									#31
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I've already sent it! I thought you said 'play it and send it. I came here and found this.

	24-11-2003 04:48									#32
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Unit Moves

Knight stack nr Barca to Barca-441.

Injured Galleys nr Barca to Barca (Harbor) and fortify.

2 Knights at Sirocco to Barca-4 and fortify.

Galley at Sirocco to Sir-66

2 Knights from OG load into galley which moves to Sir-6

Knight from EotS to embarkation point.

2 Settlers in OG load into galley which moves to Sir-6

WC from Santa Ana to Arashi-6 anf fortify with the other two.

Galley at Whirlwind moves 4,2 and fortifies - do we have enough western galleys

Galley at Beta-4447 moves 8 to join stack and fortifies.

Galley at Blizzard moves 6333

Settler and worker at Monsoon-9 move 112 towards embarkation

Worker at Arashi moves 442 towards embarkation

Worker in Inchoff adds to city, wf adjusted to give 4spt. Courthouse in 10 turns.

Worker in Santa Ana adds to city

Workers on mountains join miner. Worker north of mnts joins stack. He'll finish the mine next turn.

Workers near Miller Town join to make it size six. Worker nr voice irrigates

Spear near Wittlich moves into Wittlich.

One worker nr Wittlich fortifies to maintain sea wall, other heads south to Bob.

Pike from Sandstorm moves 444 towards embarkation






Upgrades

WC at OG to Knight for 100g


Build Orders

Eos : Knight (again - not sure abuot palace jump plans)

Miller Town : n/a

Bolderburg :Library - can be changed if we still need more galleys, but it's size 7 now, with sea tiles & can be a good commerce city.

Sandstorm : Knight

Whirlwind : Galley

Blizzard : Galley

Santa Anna : Pike


Science

Set slider to 100% cash this turn. We don't intend to complete Invention, and have 10g and 190gpt = 200g next turn.


Diplo

Sent World Map and Miller Town accepted to RP

	24-11-2003 05:00									#33
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****, I just sent it too!! I'll email ND and tell them to disregard my save.

	24-11-2003 05:05									#34
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Did you do screenshots? I have them, and they more or less will correspond, with the exception of some build orders.

	24-11-2003 05:08									#35
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Yes, I have screenshots and will post them. Tell them to ignore mine if you like - yours is probably better - you saved a worker at MT.

	24-11-2003 05:11									#36
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CH, you weren't on-line, and you didn't post in the save game thread that you had sent it out... thus the confusion. No harm, no foul.

Good play, btw.

I am not so sure we are going to get Invention out of our diplomatic dealings.

We need to start thinking about attack plans and subsequent city placement on Bob. Also, CH is quite right that we will want to Palace Jump, much as it pains me to disappear EotS.

	24-11-2003 05:13									#37
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Nah, they should use yours.

* Theseus sheepishly reports offering all 3 northern cities to RP.

	24-11-2003 05:23									#38
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Sorry. I sent the email before checking our forum, but went straight to the save game thread in the gen forum, and saw your post. Quite funny really - retrospectively. Screenies on their way.

You could be right about Invention. Oh well, 200g, more knights...

	24-11-2003 05:31									#44
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Did you take a shot of the north? I have one, if not.

Would you like me to post some unit counts for the various stacks?

	24-11-2003 05:45									#45
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I didn't get one for the north, so slap it up!

Unit counts would be good too. I'm working on a draft note to Togas to accompany the screenies, I'll post it here in a minute.

	24-11-2003 05:51									#46
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Draft note to Togas:

quote: Thank you for the cities, this move is helping with the current phase of negotiations with GoW. We've pumped Miller Town up to six and sent you that for your Palace jump - should that transpire and be your choice. We we have settlers on the way to claim and consolidate the territory on Bob, and to start rebuilding Spain. Negotiations proceed positively with GoW, and we are are also seeking Lego's approval / involvement. We'll keep you informed.

Well, reasonably informed. I don't want to break the news about Pamplona yet - we might have to bargain that away for a decent chunk of Bob. I'd like to know whether GoW want Pamp dead or alive, so to speak. As you said, it would be a handy retreat for our wounded Knights, but they're very determined to get it.

	24-11-2003 05:54									#47
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OK, screenshot is on the way, then I'll post unit counts.

	24-11-2003 05:58									#49
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Despite the handy retreat, I don't want to take Pamp and then hand it to GoW if that's gonna hurt RP bad - who'd probably rather disband it. I think the possibility of PR disbanding it could even be a card for us to play.

We could come clean with RP and say there might be SP there which is what GoW are after. If only we knew for sure about the bloody SP situation. We're negotiating partly in the dark.

	24-11-2003 06:01									#50
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The stack at YK33 is still 4 Pikes and 12 Knights.

Forces around Barcelona -
4: 1 Pike, 2 Knights
411: 3 Pike, 3 MedInf, 2 Cats, 6 Knights
441 & 4411: 2 Pike, 1 MedInf

Forces around Alamo -
63: 1 Pike, 12 Knights
8: 7 Knights (4 at 3/4, 3 at 4/4)
9: ND - 4 Pikes
78: ND - 1 Musket, 3 Pikes
77: GoW - 6 Riders, 3 Workers (including Sir Ralph!!)

In OG: (I think)
2 Knights, 1 Horse, 1 WC, 2 Warriors, 2 Settlers

	24-11-2003 06:03									#51
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I don;t think the negotiation over territory is quite done. I'd rather we stick to our guns for the moment on territory, and come up with a mutually acceptable plan re saltpeter (if that's the issue).

I imagine that GoW are worried about access WHILE at war with ND... we can solve that problem, I am sure.

	24-11-2003 06:04									#52
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What is your thinking re the remaining cities in N. Stormia?

	24-11-2003 06:18									#53
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I'd like them to be pumping Spanish commerce, ideally - to flow into our coffers for the effort against the Yellow Stain. Speaking of which, I wonder if they know about this by now and are making GoW a counter-offer?

We need the chokepoint but not the NW cities (Beta, Wittlich) if there's no threat up there in the medium term - if we get the deal. If we got the cities back with mkts/ch/harbour we'd get some production out of them.

	24-11-2003 06:21									#54
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Shall I send that note to Togas?

	24-11-2003 06:29									#55
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Yes, it was well written.

About the cities in the north, I meant in the short term... in my playing of the turn, I had gone ahead with offering them to RP, and yet you did not. Reason?

Separate note: Just to enhance our cooperation... I am confused by why you are on and off 'poly, as evidenced by the light bulb next to your name. I keep thinking you might have signed off for the night to sleep. :hmm:

We might want to set up chats for future turn play.

	24-11-2003 06:38									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I don;t think the negotiation over territory is quite done. I'd rather we stick to our guns for the moment on territory, and come up with a mutually acceptable plan re saltpeter (if that's the issue). I imagine that GoW are worried about access WHILE at war with ND... we can solve that problem, I am sure.

You're right that the territory situation is not done.

They want a lot of land. The whole of Bob almost - except for a thin sliver between the coast and a DMZ - and only east of Barca. I can't take that too seriously - it gives them 90% of a huge continent, but I do take their Pamplona demands seriously.

Until we know for sure about the SP I can't see how we can offer them a concrete plan. If we offer a hypothetical plan and they accept - it confirms our assumption and we've found out from them where the SP is - to an extent. So, they can't accept such a plan.

	24-11-2003 06:42									#57
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I don;t follow the logic... I say we put the question out in the open, where is the saltpeter?, and stick to our desire to control the territory south of the jungle.

	24-11-2003 06:53									#58
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On the northern cities, I wrote in the Good morning Spain thread :

"I'm assuming that we don't want to transfer other cities unless Gow sign. We still need to manage our West coast."

On the next post you said 'correct' - though it may have been in answer to something else. I was also thinking of a buffer zone between GoW and RP while they've got no defenders and are still at war. Can empty cities be taken straight off a boat?

	24-11-2003 06:56									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I don;t follow the logic... I say we put the question out in the open, where is the saltpeter?, and stick to our desire to control the territory south of the jungle.

Worth a try. There's a big gap between the two positions.

	24-11-2003 07:03									#60
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Ah, sorry, you are correct about the cities in the north.

I've got to break for a while.