26-11-2003 22:59									#31
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The screenie from RP shows a big ND stack on the Mountain, and all our knights are now reduced. Are they going to hammer our knights or Pamp?

	26-11-2003 23:20									#32
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Messages drafed above sent to Nimitz and Aggie. Also, message to RP asking about the Neu Stack on the Alamo Mountain, and their Pamplonian defenders. All in logs.

	27-11-2003 00:12									#33
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Good... your thoughts Pamplona?

	27-11-2003 00:22									#34
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I assume you mean the immediate position at Pamplona. My thoughts are that it would be very handy to get a deal very soon, as I can't see how else we get our damaged knights out of there.

I'm almost reduced to hoping that the best thing they can do is take some Ansars with them. It may even be Riders, not Ansars. GoW would love to hold Pamp - it may even be that ND will try to take Pamplona and give it to GoW - who might not want to release it.

Or, GoW may wish to eliminate those Knights to strengthen their position. When we know the balance of forces there from RP, it may be clearer.

	27-11-2003 01:30									#35
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News from Togas - there are only 2 ansars on that mountain, abut a stack of Muskets and Pikes. They are seriously defending that tile!

	27-11-2003 04:15									#36
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Sent to Beta, but his mailbox was full, so I'll copy it in here and try again another time.

quote: Greetings, noble Voxians. It's been too long since our Civs have shared news. Tell us, is there anything we can do for you? Any trade in science or resources that you may be interested in? Also, do you have a view on the Yellow Stain that now dominates Bob, and which threatens all of us? Specifically would you have any objection to a change of the balance of forces in the world that sought to elimiate this threat? May the Voice be with you, Cort Haus, Gathering Storm

	27-11-2003 16:56									#37
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Above message to Beta now sent. Also sent messages to Aggie and Vondrack - asking if have met up to confirm what we'd been told, and to try and get in indication from GoW what they think of our land proposal. Also asked about Pamp-Alamo (see Log).

	27-11-2003 23:41									#38
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I have to go out soon (back around midnight - 1.00am GMT), but some thoughts on the turn:

First - maybe we want to shred the files and teleport home asap in case of a Lego attack - or maybe we want to sit and hold our ground - perhaps going for a stalemate-type peace. 'Trouble is, we're not going to able to launch another 10 Megatonne diplo-assult, so it has to be a simple peace if at all.

Some MM will be needed around Cyclone / Typhoon - there are chops going which will not coincide well with completions, and the Cyclone-7 tile could be worked by Bolderberg this go. Next turn Cyclone could have the food back and be a worker pump - if we want one.

UNi in Tempest?

One of the settlers on the boat by Sirocco could stay onboard and be taken up the coast for a city site up there - if we're still rebuilding - probably head there anyway if undecided for now.

3 of the workers by Santa Ana can mine another mnt

We could try moving the wounded knights to the forest, and send some from the other stack to join them to deter attack. That might be disastrous, I don't know.

	28-11-2003 17:14									#39
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I posted this in the gen forum:

quote: Sorry everyone - Thanksgiving committments in the US have inevitably taken priority yesterday. Sure you understand .

	28-11-2003 23:04									#40
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The turn must be played and sent.

CH, can you do so? I continue to have family commitments.

	28-11-2003 23:14									#41
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Yes - I'll do it. So we hit YK then, yeah?

j/k - do you have time for any comments, T?

	28-11-2003 23:20									#42
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OK - I shall be playing the turn - and it'll probably take me at least a couple of hours, so if anyone's around - Theseus, Sir Ralph, Arrian, OPD, Vulture, Sleepy, Tall Stranger (I think that's all of us) please chip in if possible.

	28-11-2003 23:25									#43
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First off - I'm gonna send those messages to GoW and Lego. Let 'em sweat a bit.

	28-11-2003 23:40									#44
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I was hoping someone wiser than I on these matters could suggest something for our stranded knights. If we don't move them they'll get pinged further, if we do move them it's death on the forest unless we try reinforcing them from the other stack to deter - which might only sacrifice even more knights.

On the subject of military moves - this is going to be a tough call, as I don't know whether we're coming or going - or what the hopes and intended direction of existing deployments are. So, profound apologies if what I do here costs us the game. Someone's got to do it.

	29-11-2003 00:47									#45
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	29-11-2003 00:52									#46
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Goals - Orderly retreat to defend N. Stormia



5 galleys with 10 foot units move into Wittlich

Worker at Voice-3 moves 2,3 and irrigates

Mass shuffling of units - with west coast guard moving east, and returnees from Bob fanning out to cover the west coast. West coast fully covered as far as Beta, just six tiles uncovered on east coast.

6 Knights from YK jump back into 3 remaining galleys and head back into Wittlich. These six units will complete the North Stormian sea wall next turn - except for Beta 23.

Remaining 10 units at YK-33 move 2 to mountain at YK-332 - and see.... TEN LEGO KNIGHTS! - at YK-211.

This is excellent news. Ten less knights that could otherwise be coming from the east.

	29-11-2003 01:43									#47
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Having seen 10 Lego Knights near on Bob near YK - this reduces the likelihood of a massive seaborne invasion in the east. GoW and ND are more concerned about getting Lego to preserve their own cores than getting ours at the moment. Vox, however might be available to attack us. They have loads of Immortals - do they have enough ships too deliver them? They must have had some from their 'Voxodos', but they don't seem to have grown on the powergraph - as they would if they build a load more ships.

For this reason I don't think we are about to recieve a massive invasion fleet this turn, so a mass-panic evacuation, retreat & teleport home may not be a good idea if it means abandoning Bob for nothing. We need a force on Stormia to deal with any speculative minor raids - if these are likely. It would be good to get our Bobian units in a position to enable them to teleport back pdq if necessary.

So - I'm just going to spread the existing units around for now - it's either that or just sit here staring at it...

	29-11-2003 01:55									#48
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If the situation of the 7 knights is really hopeless (and it sounds as if it is), disband them. No need to give their attackers a chance to promote.

	29-11-2003 02:22									#49
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I've a rescue plan :

We now have six knights near Barca able to reach the our main knight stack at Pamp-22, and four more behind them. There are 12 knights at Pamp-22 - if seven of these joined the seven (3/4) on the woods at Pamp-1, the enemy would face 14 knights - unfortified on woodland. What would he need to take that?

We can then send maybe five of the six near barca to reinforce our mountain position - perhaps even sending more from the mountain to reinforce the rescue mission. We'd have about 25 Knights near Pamp / Alamo, 10 on a mnt, the rest unfortified on woodland.

Feasible?

	29-11-2003 02:51									#50
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Pike at Tempest-7 moves 666 to Sandstorm

3 WC's from WoC move 77, 23333, 36

Knight from Tempest moves to EotS-36

3 WC's from Sandstorm-77 moves 966, 366, 99998

Horse from OG moves to Cyclone-8

2 Knights from OG move to Sandstorm-3 and Sanstorm-4

2 Warriors in OG move 666

2 Workers and Settler from Whirlwind-9 board galleys, which move 4444

Worker at Monsoon moves to Whirlwind

3 workers mine mountain at Santa Ana-4

Worker near cyclone heads south - can help finish chop next turn.

Settler from Cyclone moves to Bolderburg - perhaps add to this city next turn to grow a commerce town.

Eastern Galley lookout moves to Hurricane - 966 and fortifies.

	29-11-2003 02:59									#51
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MM'd Cyclone and Bolderburg to give Cyclone only the two food it needs to grow to 5. Gave the cow to Bolderberg this turn. Next turn Cyclone gets the cow back and is +5 Food, size 5 - this can be a worker pump - but may need MM with Tornado.

Two chops down south were about to go nowhere, so changed Sufa to Aqueduct (is has harbour so can grow), and gave it a forest being chopped. I don't know whether this works - I read it somewhere.

Gave Bolderburg the forest that's being chopped (building a granary).

We lost a turn on Invention last go because I mistakenly hoped we might get it in the deal. We can get it back this turn though - and it's Invention in 2 turns @-33 gpt.

We have some gold - about 120, but I already started moving stormian units east.

We still have time to decide what to build in Spain - though we might need to gift them back to teleport units if we have to.

Sorry, everyone, but I'm high and dry here and doing what I can.

	29-11-2003 03:05									#52
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So, everything's done except military moves on South Bob.

I'm sorry if people see this move as 'Capitulation' - perhaps I was supposed to attack Alamo and Pamplona, and send all remaining units on Stormia to Bob, but .... [sigh]

	29-11-2003 03:10									#53
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Cort, I am here. What are the outstanding questions?

	29-11-2003 03:13									#54
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Instead of trying to save the Knights at the forest... can we use them as bait? Move them to Pamp7? Does that force ND to use up all 3 moves to hit them?

	29-11-2003 03:20									#55
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I don't think GoW want to risk a dozen units against us, when it's Pamplona they want - and possibly before we get gunpowder - which could be in 7-8 turns.

I'll fall on my sword if we lose 15 knights die to this operation - but I'm pretending our wounded guys on the mountain are stranded US marines - and we know what they to for their comrades.

	29-11-2003 03:21									#56
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OK - I haven't done anything. I'm restarting the turn

	29-11-2003 03:22									#57
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Huh?

	29-11-2003 03:23									#58
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I just accidently moved the a Pikeman instead of a Knight - so I quit.

We can make all the moves again as I did them except for the business with the Knights. I saved them till last, but slipped with the mouse before I moved them, so it's start-again time.

	29-11-2003 03:29									#59
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Outstanding questions - are we trying to defend our east coast or not.

After moving the footsoldiers and six knights back to defend Stormia's east coast (as was the broad initial reaction - though not everyone) the remainder at YK moved to the mountain and saw 10 Lego Knights - it's all documented above. This suggests that their forces are on Bob - that they're not bluffing,and hopefully they're not on their way from the east too.

There's nothing critical about the builds that can't be changed if there are too many growth builds on.

	29-11-2003 03:57									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Instead of trying to save the Knights at the forest... can we use them as bait? Move them to Pamp7? Does that force ND to use up all 3 moves to hit them?

Yes, but we'd have nothing to hit them with. Maybe RP could - they have a couple of knights - but they probably need to be defending.

ND cannot reach the forest, unless they have a large Ansar stack around Zerigossa / Loewenmut. If we have enough Knights there, it should deter attack - they would have heavy casualties.