26-11-2003 01:28									#1
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What can cause pain in abdomen/alvus, also outside of the monthly cycle?

So she's been to her doc and was told there's nothing there, and now, months later, got an ominous letter to appear there in the morning (of today, only opened the latter several hours after the time). Apparently there's a result to discuss, yet no hint about what the result can be. So she'll call the doc tomorrow and ask what it's all about, but so far is totally trembling and shaking. I couldn't calm her down and she insisted on getting some sleep early rather than talking, so she's probably still crying (what a feeling to have the phone connection cancelled without any satisfying change of mood).

I told her there's nothing to be afraid of as long as there's no proper information, but she seems to be paranoid and interprets the fact that the result of some weird, month-taking examination of some liquid is not closer declared as the most obvious of all signs that something's really wrong with her.

What can I tell her now to calm her down? Isn't it probable that it's just the doc's way of handling such things not to mention anything precise at all in such a letter, no matter what the issue is? Is there any rational reason for her to be really frightened and shocked?

	26-11-2003 01:32									#2
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she's pregnant

	26-11-2003 01:33									#3
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I don't know if this will calm her down, but my ex-girlfriend has PCOS (Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome, or something), which is basically cysts in her ovaries which can sometimes burst painfully (rarely, however). It makes it insanely difficult to have kids, and causes problems with her insilin (and increases her chances of diabetes) with the burning of carbohydrates.

She never knew she had it until a year ago. Apparently her previous ob-gyn never found it. Like 5% of all women get it, but it isn't very easy to pin down (well, so it seems).

So there may be a reason for her to be frightened, but it may just be nothing.

	26-11-2003 01:39									#4
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Gang, please...

Im, thanks...

I'm sure it's nothing!!!

	26-11-2003 01:39									#5
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and I don't think it actually is that painful, it's probably just the usual bellyache, not like a colic or so...

	26-11-2003 01:40									#6
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What's with the rolleyes

YOU said:

Is there any rational reason for her to be really frightened and shocked?

Is it my fault that I answered your question

	26-11-2003 01:40									#7
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It was a rhetorical question, and the answer is no

	26-11-2003 01:47									#8
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My wife had something similiar - turned out to be her gall bladder. Had it removed and she's been fine ever since.

By the way, a letter?? Don't you people have telephones over there? If it were really important/life-threatening/whatever, I'm sure they would have picked up a phone, not posted a letter.

	26-11-2003 01:51									#9
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that's the thing. and why did that report arrive back at the doc months after the assay was sent in?

	26-11-2003 01:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion What can cause pain in abdomen/alvus, also outside of the monthly cycle?

Dude, my gf is the queen of pain in these areas. She passed multiple exams and never got results that pointed to something. Everything is always "perfectly fine''.

So if you ever find something, please tell me....PLEASE!!


Spec.

	26-11-2003 01:58									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf she's pregnant

Andy, man, I told you to go partying instead.

	26-11-2003 01:58									#12
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your advantage: your girl probably doesn't cry on the other side of the phone just beause her doc asked her to walk by

	26-11-2003 02:31									#13
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Andy, what kind of diet does she have?

	26-11-2003 02:35									#14
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Oh, she eats way too little, doesn't drink enough either. The diet isn't special in any way, she lives at home and her parents are not especially exclusive about anything, despite being allergic to certain central European fruit, but she should be fine with vitamins. So it's not the diet that might cause a problem, it's the amount of food, or rather the lack thereof...

	26-11-2003 03:59									#15
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Possibly endometriosis.

	26-11-2003 04:40									#16
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I'm having a hell of a time coming up with a plausible explanation without knowing what kind of "tests" were done before. Blood tests? Scans? It would be odd to wait a few months before something calling her back.

	26-11-2003 15:10									#17
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yeah, that's the problem... I think time has sort of solved this by now, she should have had a chance to call the doc by now... goona message her at some point, but usually she doesn't respond from work and that means it might be a few hours until I get to know...

	26-11-2003 16:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion It was a rhetorical question, and the answer is no

well, what you get asking rhetorical questions here is rhetorical answers.

I hope she's fine

	26-11-2003 16:39									#19
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oh she isn't. she was at her doc and it's a cancer suspicion, great.

off to her place now, see ya guys on monday

	26-11-2003 17:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion the result of some weird, month-taking examination of some liquid is not closer declared as the most obvious of all signs that something's really wrong with her. What can I tell her now to calm her down? Isn't it probable that it's just the doc's way of handling such things not to mention anything precise at all in such a letter, no matter what the issue is? Is there any rational reason for her to be really frightened and shocked?

The only test I can think of that can take so long is an amniocenteisis, but that doesnt seem to be called for here. There may be some other relevant tests that require cell culture but I cant think of any routine ones.

	26-11-2003 17:30									#21
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Damn...
All the best for her...

	26-11-2003 18:41									#22
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My wife has been through 2 cancer positives (different types). Very scary, but both were excised and she's been OK for several years now.

If this is a positive (remembering that many scares are actually benign), she moves into a high-risk class, statistically speaking. Once (it is to be hoped) it has been successfully handled, you can look forward to an ongoing regimen of checkups. Eternal vigilance and all that. Unfortunately, the spectre never dies, and there's a certain level of ongoing stress with that.

From what's been posted here, I'd think there's a lot of reason for hope. Lots of cancer positives are routinely treatable these days. She needs to know that.

All you can do is offer moral support and positive thoughts...

	26-11-2003 18:51									#23
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Sorry to hear that. Good luck.

	26-11-2003 21:57									#24
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anxiety can make your insides churn really bad sometimes...

	01-12-2003 22:31									#25
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well, it wasn't a real cancer positive, just one value that was slightly above normal, so there's another examination in 2 months

enough stuff to have a girl scared

thanks guys

	01-12-2003 22:39									#26
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Glad to hear all's well.

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion well, it wasn't a real cancer positive, just one value that was slightly above normal, so there's another examination in 2 months enough stuff to have a girl scared thanks guys

Two months!! That sucks. My wife would be stressed out the entire two months if this happened to her.

Hang in there and try to keep her mind off of it.

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Yeah, come to finland, eat some reindeers

Yet better:
I'm coming to Berlin on 9th of Dec. Let's go and get a few beers

	02-12-2003 02:49									#29
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2 months means it's nothing. if it was dangerous they'd have given a more urgent date.

it means there's nothing there, I think one value exceeded upper border by 2% or so, so it can be everything, cancer was just one option

the relevant term for that probing is smear test if that's helpful to anyone...

	02-12-2003 17:21									#30
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It shouldnt take a month to read a pap smear. Either they ****ed up, or the additional time may have been to run other tests for a previously undetected std (that can cause an abnormal smear). There's no way that should take a month though.

Abnormal pap smears, such as you've described, are relatively common. They can be caused by a lot of things besides cancer or std. As you said, they'll do another smear in a couple of months and if it's still abnormal they'll look for a cause a little harder. If not, she's OK (often the case).