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I nominate Imperium Romanum for best historical scenario and best scenario. And Red Front for the one it doesn't get. Oh, and Tim Smith for modpack designer, since Hi-Res was great and there haven't been all that many modpacks lately.
[This message has been edited by Giant Squid (edited February 24, 2001).]
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Kull
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El Paso, TX USA
Mar 1999
time: 22:13
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This is all very nice, but the "Award Process" is seriously flawed IMHO. Let's look at some of the problems:
1) The most serious issue is the blind voting (ie. pulling names out of thin air). Shouldn't there be a list from which to make selections? Already we've seen votes for a 2001 scenario in a 2000 contest. My recommendation is to close this voting thread and start with a nominations process. Invite submittals (how many per person can be debated, but it should be at least three) and use that to develop a "top ten list" for the vote.
2) Category descriptions are also essential or else you wind up with little more than a popularity contest. And lets discuss these a bit first, since I already have a problem with the definition of "mod pack versus scenario". If you delete the .scn file, Seeds of Greatness will easily allow you to create "from scratch" games on any map. There may be others that would do the same, and that gets us back to #1. In fact, maybe the first thread should be a discussion on Definitions and Categories and only move on to nominations after that's been settled.
3) No instructions for voting are provided (Is this the only thread? Forum? Scenario people only? Secret Ballot? Public? Who can participate?) If this contest has Apolyton Blessing, you might think about posting sticky "Come submit your Nominations" threads in the appropriate forums, followed by "Come Vote" threads when it's time for that. These should be announcement only threads, and direct people to a common thread located elsewhere. I highly recommend you use one or more of the free polling services and set up polls for each of these categories. That will make the voting fast and anonymous. You can attempt to make it informed, too, by use of links which first pop up the Category description/definition and THEN the poll itself.
4) As a HAC sponsored event, the final details should ultimately be posted on the HAC Web Site. Links to those detailed descriptions could then be posted in the Discussion threads.
Edit: Typos
[This message has been edited by Kull (edited February 25, 2001).]
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Scenario of the Year - Red Front
2nd Best Scenario - Riverwar
3rd Best Scenario - Mughals
In fact, there are few scenarios
that I'm sure were made in year 2000.
Mapmaker of the Year - Jorrit Vermeiren
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Panda
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Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:13
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Just two issues I'd like clarification on.
1. You've stated quite clearly this process should exclude year 2001 creations, but is it just for year 2000 creations, or creations in the last two years which have never been nominated/awarded before, as I think I just read on the site?
2. As a follow on, how are you dating a creation? First release date or final release date? Red Front was originally released Dec 1999, and v1.4 in Feb 2000. But say for Kobayshi's STBAQ scenario, which merits a nomination, which was first released in Dec 2000 and updated end of Jan 2001 (with an additional update promised).
See the problem?
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Kull
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El Paso, TX USA
Mar 1999
time: 22:13
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Reismark: My original post fell into the category of "constructive criticism". Not only did I identify the problems (as I saw them), but also offered some suggestions for addressing them. There was no "prejudice against HAC" anywhere in that post. What I received back was a two word insult. At that point it became eminently clear that WarVoid just wants to get this over with as quickly as possible. When speed is more important than a quality product, it's simply further proof that HAC has totally lost it. That's why, for me, HAC's failure to handle SDC#3 speaks volumes.
The concept of community acclaim is truly a noble one. God knows that nobody here is making any money from our scenarios or other "good works" for the Civ2 clan. And any group that takes on the mission of assembling the votes and doling out the awards is truly "doing the right thing". Talk about thankless tasks! But if you are gonna do it, then do it RIGHT. You don't want to use a poll to automate the process? Fine! But at least define what the awards MEAN! If "Civer of the Year" can be Tecumseh OR Chris Wilkinson, then I have NO IDEA what it stands for. And saying that awards for 2000 can include efforts from as long ago as 1997 is simply ludicrous. I'd like for this to be a successful effort, truly I would. But what you have right now is little more than a poorly defined popularity contest.
HAC has a pretty serious credibility problem. If you want to improve it, then engage with the skeptics. If you take the path of insult and dismissal, then it's clear that JayBee and I won't be alone in bidding you adieu.
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I'm not really upset if we don't have another HAC award contest, but I think Nemo might  . Red Front is going to sweep everything.
Although my votes would go towards 2nd Front and Spartacus.
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