26-11-2003 04:26									#1
	How far would the US have to go before you'd become a revolutionary? Full PM-box? Change here!

· I would when the Constitution is dissolved and a psychotic christian-right dictatorship is established. Unless they give me an opportunity to leave this madness and emigrate to Europe.

Will the rest of you (those that are revolutionary capable) wait until it is too late, or are you cowards like the cattle, Americans in groups, are known to be?

What chances does a revolutionary movement have against the strongest Military Power in the World With the ability to destroy the world over and over again 1000s of times in a matter of minutes?

Would Civil War and Civil Strife occur, would they be effective, will they be repressed, how many would die arbitrarly?

Start discussing these issues, can't hurt now, better to be prepared then ran over by the military might before you have a chance to wake up and smell the burnt remains of your friends and families.

	26-11-2003 04:27									#2
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Elect Ronald Reagan.

	26-11-2003 04:34									#3
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Once Congress passes an amendment saying that the U.S. is a Christian nation, or something to that effect.

	26-11-2003 04:34									#4
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Define revolutionary.

If you mean taking arms, I would never do so in any circumstances.

	26-11-2003 04:35									#5
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Elect Ronald Reagan.

As in, it's already gone too far? Or as in, when they elect him again?

	26-11-2003 04:38									#6
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As in, I became a revolutionary because of Ronnie.

	26-11-2003 04:38									#7
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quote: I would when the Constitution is dissolved and a psychotic christian-right dictatorship is established.

Uh, well, yeah. I would think that any "psychotic dictatorship" of any ilk, right or left, religious or irreligious, would need to be fought with all your American heart and passion.

Soldiers patrolling the streets would likely set me off regardless of political persuasion (unless, of course, there was a massive attack/invasion on US soil).

	26-11-2003 04:39									#8
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara As in, I became a revolutionary because of Ronnie.

Probably would've become an assassin had Goldwater won, eh?

	26-11-2003 04:40									#9
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Soldiers patroling the streets doesn't make me want to fight. It makes me want to flee. People with guns scare me.

	26-11-2003 04:41									#10
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Probably would've become an assassin had Goldwater won, eh?

I don't know if I would even have been born. Barry woulda have nuked Vietnam and that woulda been the end of that.

	26-11-2003 05:17									#11
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quote: Soldiers patrolling the streets would likely set me off regardless of political persuasion (unless, of course, there was a massive attack/invasion on US soil).

There is no excuse for a nation to oppress its citizens.

Me, about a few days after the government starts regulating caffeine and sugar.

	26-11-2003 12:39									#12
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I am rebelling now.
It's the devils way now
theres no way out
you can scream and you can shout
but it's too late now
because you've not been
paing attention

	26-11-2003 12:51									#13
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I take up arms when the left wing commies, socialists or the like seize power and start rigging elections, nationalizing industry, and outlawing religion except in the privacy of one's thoughts.

	26-11-2003 13:00									#14
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Hmm....And if the right wing conservatives sieze the government and begin rigging elections, privatizing industry, and outlawing all OTHER religions except christianity?
Well nevermind...You'd be right at home, wouldn't you Ned?

I wouldn't take up arms for this country. I'd simply move.
However barring that, I'd take up arms when all facets of controlling the government close up.

	26-11-2003 13:06									#15
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If I were ever to become a revolutionary, I would be more of a public activist contributing to the movement that way, rather than as an armed guerrilla.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't know which end of a gun he should hold to fire it.

	26-11-2003 14:56									#16
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I already am a revolutionary

	26-11-2003 14:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun If I were ever to become a revolutionary, I would be more of a public activist contributing to the movement that way, rather than as an armed guerrilla.

And if that were to be deemed illegal?

	26-11-2003 19:52									#18
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You have to subvert culture to instigate revolution.

What does that mean to you folks?
I got nothin

	26-11-2003 20:33									#19
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Here's how a successful revolution works.

Step 1. You build a revolutionary organization.
Step 2. Government has crisis with which it cannot cope.
Step 3. Revolutionary organization starts running things.

Most revolutionaries are stuck on step one.

Step two can either be a natural disaster, an economic crash, a horrible war, or caused by a guerilla uprising. I had written a piece about the Haymarket Massacre, and a Maoist comrade commented to me that it made him think about the role of natural disasters in radicalization, which in turn made me realize that the disasters didn't have to be natural. No revolution has ever been successfully launched against a strong state (though wars of independence have, that's a different story).

Step three requires people to realize the moment has come to take charge. If you're really at step three, the existing governmnet hould crumble lke a house of cards when pushed. If you miss your moment of historical opportunity, the people lose faith in you, and the government has time to recover.

	26-11-2003 21:46									#20
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i wouldn't become a revolutionary for the single reason that i don't like imposing my will on others. now, striking out and seceding from a nation, and then defending that territory as strongly as possible as the foundation of a new state... preferably some place hard to get to, like the moon or mars...

	26-11-2003 23:12									#21
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I'd move to Canada .

	26-11-2003 23:19									#22
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I'm with Ned... and if that fails, I'm with Inmran, and if that fails... Well, then I guess I'm with Che

	26-11-2003 23:20									#23
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NOOO... don't do it!

	26-11-2003 23:22									#24
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Assuming I was American, elect Bush.

	26-11-2003 23:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'd move to Canada .

What makes you think we'd take you?

	27-11-2003 00:30									#26
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As long as there existed some political process to express viewpoints, i would not revolt.

If there were no mechanisms to vote...basically, if the united states became a non-democratic nation for any reason (Christians, Dictatorship, extended martial law, etc) then I reverse the process my great grandfather intiated by leaving Sweden and starting a life in the US many years ago.

How sad to contemplate the failed experiment of US democracy...

	27-11-2003 00:34									#27
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quote: What makes you think we'd take you?

You're too polite to turn me away... and yes, I won't be coming to Quebec where that statement doesn't hold true .

That and you took all those smelly Vietnam draft dodgers.

	27-11-2003 00:50									#28
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Canada's too cold. Oz is the place for me!

	27-11-2003 01:00									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar And if that were to be deemed illegal?

Just because expressing dissidence would be illegal, does not mean that people automatically cow to such laws if they are brave enough.

Almost all armed revolutions have intellectual and public activists that articulate what the armed resistance is fighting for.

	27-11-2003 01:01									#30
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quote: Canada's too cold. Oz is the place for me!

Oy! Good point! Maybe I'll go to Canada until I can get a flight .