26-11-2003 21:44									#1
	U.N 'Strongly Deplores' Iran Nuclear Cover-Up Put an end to popups!

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VIENNA, Austria (Reuters) - The United Nations (news - web sites) nuclear watchdog condemned Iran Wednesday over an 18-year cover-up of sensitive atomic research and said any future breach of nonproliferation obligations would not be tolerated.

The U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency stopped short of reporting Iran to the Security Council, which could have imposed sanctions. However, some countries think Tehran has more secrets and will eventually face the U.N.'s supreme body.

What I want to know is whether this is another "lie" and/or just how it must be Bush's fault.

the rest of the story: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...nuclear_iran_dc

	26-11-2003 21:55									#2
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What does that have to do with Texas?

	26-11-2003 21:55									#3
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nope no lie, not bushes fault,

sarcasm on

but i fail to see how this is a problem since your good buddies in pakistan (the only ones to officially recognise the taliban regime) allready have them...

sarcasm off

and i don't hear you complain about that one

	26-11-2003 21:55									#4
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Bush bribed/blackmailed the people writing the report to change from their former position?

	26-11-2003 21:59									#5
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis nope no lie, not bushes fault, sarcasm on but i fail to see how this is a problem since your good buddies in pakistan (the only ones to officially recognise the taliban regime) allready have them... sarcasm off and i don't hear you complain about that one

Thats the whole point, Pakistan, Israel and South Africa before all have/had nukes but since they are/were American allies they simply didn't give a ***.

	26-11-2003 22:01									#6
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis and i don't hear you complain about that one

IIRC, they aren't part of the NPT. Iran still is. Anyway we had economic sanctions on Pakistan until 2001 when it ceased to be in our interests to have them in place for obvious reasons.

	26-11-2003 22:01									#7
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they got nukes at a diffreent time

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	26-11-2003 22:03									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller they got nukes at a diffreent time Jon miller

So?

	26-11-2003 22:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc IIRC, they aren't part of the NPT. Iran still is. Anyway we had economic sanctions on Pakistan until 2001 when it ceased to be in our interests to have them in place for obvious reasons.

Actually, I think we lifted those sanctions before that, except for some technology restrictions and military items. They were pretty half-hearted and short-lived.

	26-11-2003 22:09									#10
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Actually, I think we lifted those sanctions before that, except for some technology restrictions and military items. They were pretty half-hearted and short-lived.

This is all the info I have on the subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1558860.stm

If you know anything different, because my knowledge is admittedly limited.

	26-11-2003 22:14									#11
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this only matters to us because iran is not our friend.

south africa was at the time, and still is, sorta, so...

	26-11-2003 23:10									#12
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quote: South Africa before all have/had nukes but since they are/were American allies they simply didn't give a ***.

Say what? US (along with other countries) pressure was one of things that convinced South Africa to give up its nuclear weapons. The US certainly didn't say it was ok.

	26-11-2003 23:34									#13
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Iran probably restarted the program once they were included no Dumbya's ht list. That's what North Korea did.

	26-11-2003 23:39									#14
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quote: Originally posted by atawa Thats the whole point, Pakistan, Israel and South Africa before all have/had nukes but since they are/were American allies they simply didn't give a ***.

1. None of those were members of the NPT, so there was no legal basis for UN sanctions.
2. South Africa was years ago, and i dont believe they ever actually built a weapon, in any case.
3. Obviously the US has special concern about Iran because Iran supports terrorism.
A. Iran supports Hamas and Islamic Jihad in terrorist attacks against Israel
B. Iran supports Hezbollah, which among other things launched a terrorist attack in Buenos Aires that killed lots of innocent civilians some years ago, and has hijacked airplanes.
C. It seems clear that a good portion of the surviving leadership of Al Qaeeda is in Iran. Iran claims to be holding some AQ, but wont identify which ones or turn them over. The suspicion is that they are in fact working with AQ.

	26-11-2003 23:40									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Iran probably restarted the program once they were included no Dumbya's ht list. That's what North Korea did.

No, NK was working their program through the Clinton years.

	26-11-2003 23:52									#16
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark No, NK was working their program through the Clinton years.

Not from what I've read (Bushwhacked Molly Ivans). Anyway, the U.S. never lived up to its end of the agreement, so NK would have been justified had they never halted their progam.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand What I want to know is whether this is another "lie" and/or just how it must be Bush's fault.

I must have been asleep when I posted about how Iran wasn't pursuing nukes.

	26-11-2003 23:59									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: South Africa before all have/had nukes but since they are/were American allies they simply didn't give a ***. Say what? US (along with other countries) pressure was one of things that convinced South Africa to give up its nuclear weapons. The US certainly didn't say it was ok.

F.W. Declerk said flat out that he dismantled South Africa's nuclear program because he was afraid "niggers might get control of a nuclear bomb". I'm sure the desire to end the anti-apartied sanctions also had an effect but mostly the whites in charge saw the white only system breaking down and they were afraid to give blacks control over nuclear weapons.

	27-11-2003 00:20									#19
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North Korea broke the agreement first...then refused to discuss by invoking a lot of impediments to negotiation. Their usual tactic...

I believe the specific incident was breaking the seals on the cameras monitoring nuke sites and turning the cameras off.

	27-11-2003 00:22									#20
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Not from what I've read (Bushwhacked Molly Ivans). Anyway, the U.S. never lived up to its end of the agreement, so NK would have been justified had they never halted their progam.

Justified or not, it was under Clinton. I think you (and ms ivans) are confused cause there was one program that was halted under the agreement, and a second parallel program that they developed after the agreement was signed.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations, NK started assembling Highly Enrichment capability in 2000 - IE while Clinton was President.

BTW, since when is Molly Ivans an expert on nuclear weapons proliferation and national security affairs?

	27-11-2003 00:48									#21
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The US committed itself to helping the DPRK in building two light reactors and lifting economic sanctions. We did neither.

	27-11-2003 01:01									#22
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I doubt the UN could stop Iran or any other nation from getting nukes. UN never does anything.

	27-11-2003 01:23									#23
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Meanwhile back in Iraq, there are no weapons of mass destruction. Bush lied, all you 'patriots' swalled the rhetoric, and now y'all are desperatly trying to find other countries with WMD. The fact is that Iraq was no threat to the US and that all the reasons given to us by this administration was a load of bs.

****ing lemmings

	27-11-2003 01:27									#24
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iirc, it was japan and skorea who were to actually build those damn reactors.

kepco's so far behind now, though, so... bround was broken three to six years after it was originally scheduled.

	27-11-2003 01:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The US committed itself to helping the DPRK in building two light reactors and lifting economic sanctions. We did neither.

"In the agreement reached in October 1994, the United States and its allies agreed to supply Pyongyang with two 1,000-megawatt light-water reactors and 500,000 tons of heavy oil a year until the completion of the first reactor. In return, North Korea pledged to freeze its Soviet-designed graphite-moderated reactors.

Under the deal, a U.S.-led international consortium, the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization, was formed in 1995. But the $4.6 billion project has been delayed for securing cost-sharing and Pyongyang's test-firing of a ballistic missile in 1998 over Japan, a main financial contributor to the project.

KEDO officials said it would take up to nine years to complete the construction of the reactors. But North Korea has asked for the reactors before 2003 because the 1994 accord said they could be completed in the "next nine years."

The official said the KEDO is preparing to begin talks with North Korea on revising the target date for completing the first reactor.

-- Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved."

Note that this is from Feb, 2000, a year before Bush took office. So your original post is wrong Che - why not admit that? Secondly, did Clinton break the agreement? A major financier of the project was to be Japan. NK then test fired a missile OVER Japan. Not surprisingly this delayed the project. This happened in 1998, over 2 years before Bush was elected by the way.

	27-11-2003 01:30									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Meanwhile back in Iraq, there are no weapons of mass destruction. Bush lied, all you 'patriots' swalled the rhetoric, and now y'all are desperatly trying to find other countries with WMD. The fact is that Iraq was no threat to the US and that all the reasons given to us by this administration was a load of bs. ****ing lemmings

It would really be easier to have intelligent discussions if issues about Iraq were discussed in Iraq threads, about Iran in Iran threads, and about Nkor in Nkor threads. I can understand bringing Nkor in here, since it was a case of discussing parallels and differences between Iran and Nkor on the one hand, and Israel, SA and pakistan on the other. But your points about IRaq have NOTHING to do with the issue at hand and belong in a different thread. Why dont you start one?

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Meanwhile back in Iraq, there are no weapons of mass destruction. Bush lied, all you 'patriots' swalled the rhetoric, and now y'all are desperatly trying to find other countries with WMD. The fact is that Iraq was no threat to the US and that all the reasons given to us by this administration was a load of bs. ****ing lemmings

Moron. How soon do you think Saddam would get his wish if the sanctions were lifted? You want to put yourself at mercy of someone who attacked his neighbors twice in a 10 years time frame, someone who gassed his own people, and murdered hundreds thousands more?

	27-11-2003 01:34									#28
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quote: You want to put yourself at mercy of someone who attacked his neighbors twice in a 10 years time frame, someone who gassed his own people, and murdered hundreds thousands more?

Cry me a river. Why arnt you advocating an invasion of Congo. After all, over 2 MILLION people have died there in the last ten years. Why dont we invade a half a dozen other African countries who support civil wars/ activily engage in warfare against their neighbors.

quote: Moron. How soon do you think Saddam would get his wish if the sanctions were lifted?

A sanction which did nothing to Saddam, but killed thousands of Iraqis because they couldnt get any food or clean water.

	27-11-2003 01:36									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless Moron. How soon do you think Saddam would get his wish if the sanctions were lifted? You want to put yourself at mercy of someone who attacked his neighbors twice in a 10 years time frame, someone who gassed his own people, and murdered hundreds thousands more?

please ignore the threadjacker.

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quote: It would really be easier to have intelligent discussions if issues about Iraq were discussed in Iraq threads, about Iran in Iran threads, and about Nkor in Nkor threads. I can understand bringing Nkor in here, since it was a case of discussing parallels and differences between Iran and Nkor on the one hand, and Israel, SA and pakistan on the other. But your points about IRaq have NOTHING to do with the issue at hand and belong in a different thread. Why dont you start one?

Well, Iraq and Iran are right next to each other and their history has been intertwined since Babylon. Both are members of the Axis of Evil. I'd say they go hand in hand.