29-11-2003 07:58									#31
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a) It still requires that I get off my fat ass, which it shouldn't

b) What if I'm not a concientious objector, but simply don't want a gun at this time?

	29-11-2003 08:19									#32
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quote: Originally posted by dv8ed Governments require that people buy things all the time for public safety...

Like seat belts for cars or bike helmets or smog equipment for their cars or a bunch of other things.

	29-11-2003 08:21									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar "This is no different than simply raising taxes!!!" One of the advantages of living here in Utah is that it is largely seperated from American maddness

Yeah, the Mormans who run the state dutifully vote exactly the way the head cultist tells them to vote.

	29-11-2003 08:26									#34
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"Mormans"

And while that may be so, we aren't passing laws saying "You *MUST* own a copy of the book of Mormon or pay $100 to the church"

	29-11-2003 08:49									#35
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quote: Taxation is a valid point of interest for your neighbours. What I buy with my money shouldn't be...

This sentance is redundant, taxation is taking your money to buy things .

	29-11-2003 09:08									#36
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Taxes aren't my money in the first place. If I owe you 100$ then that 100$ isn't mine.

	29-11-2003 09:21									#37
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Taxes aren't my money in the first place. If I owe you 100$ then that 100$ isn't mine.

Correct-a-Mundo

Although Taxation Laws are deemed "Unacceptable" or Wrong it matters not.they are "The Law"

Try not paying them and see if Uncle Sam dont collect them or at least make every effort..and I am talking about the little guy owing a $100.00...

As for these fine folks in question...

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	29-11-2003 09:32									#38
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I'm sure there are some remote towns in Afghanistan that manage to be even stupider

	29-11-2003 10:01									#39
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Taxes aren't my money in the first place.

	29-11-2003 10:02									#40
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They're what I owe for services rendered.

	29-11-2003 10:03									#41
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No representation without taxation.

	29-11-2003 10:08									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Try not paying them and see if Uncle Sam dont collect them or at least make every effort..and I am talking about the little guy owing a $100.00...

Sounds like a loan shark.

	29-11-2003 10:10									#43
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Well, before we even argue about this, what % of the people there already own guns? America has more guns than people, after all.

	29-11-2003 10:42									#44
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Naw, the difference is you like health care, not guns. But seriously, this is the same principle the Left has been beating the uneducated about the head for the past 150 years: Nanny state, the government knows better in its collective wisdom than you do with your individual presumptions, crapola like that.

Nanny state my ass. National healthcare belongs to me. Private healthcare belongs to someone else. Someone else can't run anything as well as I can.

Corporations don't have constituions, bills of rights, citizenships, or even long term vision. They are oppressive dictatorships and oligarchies . You cannot expect to keep playing them against each other ad infinitum.

	29-11-2003 10:46									#45
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quote: Corporations don't have constituions, bills of rights, citizenships, or even long term vision.

Neither do they have armies, concentration camps, or forced famines. What's your point?

quote: They are oppressive dictatorships and oligarchies.

A dictatorship without an army is to laugh.

Get real, St. Leo.

	29-11-2003 10:55									#46
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Some of them do. Less so in the US, but they call up the equivalents of the Pinkerton's all the time. Look at what Coke's bottling plants are doing to union leaders in Colombia.

	29-11-2003 11:11									#47
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They're killing them by the millions in ovens? They're purposely starving them as to enforce an insane ideology? They've started a war with, say, Venezuela that costs billions of dollars and thousands of lives?

Damn, had no idea that corporations were that brutal. Especially soda manufacturers.

	29-11-2003 11:12									#48
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And because they haven't stormed the capital yet, it means that they (and all corperations) are benevolent corps which pay everyone fairly and serve the common good of the people's

Next up: How America is right and everyone else in the world is wrong....

	29-11-2003 11:15									#49
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"But first, why an organizational entity with no guns and no record of killing hundreds of millions is more scary than an organizational entity that controls armies and imprisons its own citizens."

'tis to laugh.

	29-11-2003 11:16									#50
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Nanny state my ass. National healthcare belongs to me.

No, it doesn't.

	29-11-2003 11:19									#52
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You never know Doc. St Leo may have the pink slip in his back pocket.

	29-11-2003 11:24									#53
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I side with JohnT here.
Since States can become nasty, let's obliterate every collective undertaking for the sake of individual undertaking.

No more Police! People can take care of themselves. If women get raped, I guess they deserved it, being too weak and all that.
No more Justice! If people have a quibble, whoever hires the toughest thugs wins.
No more Public Education! Only the rich can buy education for their kids. That'll teach these poor buggers not to be poor.

YAY!

	29-11-2003 11:26									#54
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Good job on putting words in my mouth, Spiffy! :applause:

	29-11-2003 11:27									#55
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Good job on putting words in my mouth, Spiffy! :applause:

* Spiffor bows before the enthusiastic audience

	29-11-2003 11:34									#56
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quote: They're killing them by the millions in ovens? They're purposely starving them as to enforce an insane ideology? They've started a war with, say, Venezuela that costs billions of dollars and thousands of lives?

Who do you think financed the Nazi Party? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't socialist co-ops.

quote: Damn, had no idea that corporations were that brutal. Especially soda manufacturers.

You asked for an army, not a large army.

	29-11-2003 11:41									#57
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quote: Who do you think financed the Nazi Party? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't socialist co-ops.

Who do you think was forced to finance the Nazi party? Regardless, hindsight is 20/20 Ramo - nobody expected Hitler to do as much as he did, even as late as '38. But by then, if you're Siemens (for ex) it's too late to do anything but go along.

But yeah, if you want to argue that the fact of the German military had no presence in the minds of the German companies who were "asked" for donations, please, go right ahead.

	29-11-2003 11:42									#58
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So is the question who caused greater harm and evil; the corporations or the communist left? If so then I'm sure just about everyone will be able tomake the right decision after seeing the tens (easily 50+ million between the two) of millions killed by Stalin and Mao vs the, comparetively minor, events corporations have caused. If we include the good things which each side has caused then I'm 100% sure the benifets which corporations have brought about far, far out weight the benifets supposed communist utopias have brought about.

	29-11-2003 11:46									#59
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quote: Who do you think was forced to finance the Nazi party?

Not the corporations while the Nazi's lacked political dominance.

quote: Regardless, hindsight is 20/20 Ramo - nobody expected Hitler to do as much as he did, even as late as '38.

Yeah, it was much more civilized back then. Only strikers and unionists and communists were to be purged.

quote: But yeah, if you want to argue that the fact of the German military had no presence in the minds of the German companies who were "asked" for donations, please, go right ahead.

Before they came to power. The Nazis were bankrolled by corporations.

	29-11-2003 11:47									#60
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The attempt to change mankind altogether is by far the most terrible thing that has struck the 20st century. Because some overpowered leaders had the delusion of creating a "new mankind", mankind has experienced the worst slaughters ever.

Even the most evil corporation is a mere thugocracy in comparison to Pol Pot, to Hitler, to Stalin or to Mao. Because even the most evil corporation doesn't try to create a new mankind fit to its leader's delusional perceptions of mankind.

NOW, I'll still take a democratic country over a greedy corporation anyday.