02-12-2003 02:18									#1
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What do we think of it?

I had that WTF? feeling when I refreshed it and the site had changed, but it seems easy enough to find my way around.

I like the new people I know/unknown senders envelope graphic. Hotmail has certainly got better with spam, but enough still filters through. Its nice to be able to easily see whats important.

Any other good new features? Has anyone had any problems with it? I had a few error pages the first few times I tried it, but that seems to have calmed down now.

	02-12-2003 02:19									#2
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Post a pic of it. Not everyone uses hotmail (damn spam).

	02-12-2003 02:35									#3
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Yes, they do seem to act as a spam magnet. I wouldnt want my main account clogged up with my mailing lists though.

	02-12-2003 02:39									#4
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	02-12-2003 02:44									#5
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actually reminds me a bit of Outlook Web Access in Exchange 2003.

	02-12-2003 02:48									#6
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It's got a kind of Yahoo Email look (sort of). More web based emails seem to be going for that kinda look.

	02-12-2003 02:55									#7
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nah. the design ethic closely parallels that of office 2003; you have the rounded buttons, as if they were on a cylinder, and the soothing pastels.

	02-12-2003 03:00									#8
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I think it has a very Microsoft feel to it. I dont consider that a bad thing.

Ive not seen office 2003, but I presume it follows the aesthetic ideas I first noticed in XP.

	02-12-2003 03:08									#9
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ok. i'm going to post a sequence of images.

	02-12-2003 03:09									#10
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this is yahoo.

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	02-12-2003 03:11									#11
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the next two are from the new hotmail.

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	02-12-2003 03:12									#12
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creating a new message in hotmail.

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	02-12-2003 03:13									#13
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here is the default view in outlook web access for exchange server 2003 (microsoft's email server).

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creating a new message.

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	02-12-2003 03:17									#15
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and finally, outlook 2003.

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	02-12-2003 03:19									#16
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outlook web access has a few one-ups on hotmail.

all right-click functionality, when in IE, acts just as it would in outlook itself. as in, if you right-click on a name, you won't see "save target as...", but rather "open / reply / move" and so on.

	02-12-2003 03:27									#17
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I don't like it. The new interface seems pointless when the old one was working so well, and, IMO, better than this one...there being only "up/down/inbox" buttons at the bottom of messages, I have to scroll back up to delete or reply (unlike previous IIRC although I really couldn't give a rat's ass either way.)

However, Microsuck seems to have streamlined the interface by about 1/2%. Good for them.

FUNCTION: 4
STYLE: 7
TILT: 3
AVERAGE: 5 :vomit:

	02-12-2003 03:36									#18
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I like it. It's got nice eye appeal and an intuitive layout. Kudos to Microsoft.

	02-12-2003 04:00									#19
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I hate it. I liked the direct navigation on the left side of the page and was really confused. Plus, it takes more effort to go to the Junk Mail folder.

	02-12-2003 04:17									#20
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I like the 'New mail from my contacts:' section of the opening page. I added myself to my contacts, then spammed myself. Im worried that the list will fill up fast, and without titles to differentiate each email, things might get confusing.

I like the look of that outlook web access.You mention IE, is it integrated into the browser for email addys or something?

	02-12-2003 05:32									#21
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I wish I could block the account they use to send me annoying brainwashings. I tried and it's a special case that can't be blocked.

I only have Hotmail because I wanted an MSNIM account in Trillian anyways, but I still get mail notifications.

	02-12-2003 06:43									#22
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This look seems very ordinary. It looks exactly like Caramail. Same tones and similar layout.

	02-12-2003 07:06									#23
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there really is only so much you can do with web based email to make it unique.

	02-12-2003 07:07									#24
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yeah. it's integrated into ie6. anything else, and you get the "lite" version, which has the same interface, sans the rightclick functionality.

	02-12-2003 13:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This look seems very ordinary. It looks exactly like Caramail. Same tones and similar layout.

But.... its in French!

I do like the sound of the right clicking. Once you've got the hang of that it would be very useful. Anything else thats one step ahead?

	02-12-2003 13:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty Anything else thats one step ahead?

I don't use hotmail, but any piece of software that makes proper use of the right-click is a step ahead in my book
Now, if you want something that looks so much like software, why don't you use proper software, like Outlook Express, instead?

	02-12-2003 13:42									#27
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I think this interface has been waaay too simplified. Even moreso than before.
What, were Americans having trouble with that HUGE "COMPOSE" button that they put it under a smaller "New" menu instead?

The other interface worked so much better. The simplification was simply not needed...Not to mention that this makes it look more like XP, which is a bad thing

	02-12-2003 13:53									#28
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I move ISP a lot so I need free emails address's that can come with me. Ive got less than a year left at this ISP, and I dont see the added convenience of outlook express worth the hassle of telling everyone I've moved addy again.

quote: What, were Americans having trouble with that HUGE "COMPOSE" button that they put it under a smaller "New" menu instead?

I was a bit miffed the compose box had gone, but I suppose stacking all the 'new' options where they are gives it a similar layout to the rest of Microsoft software. Standardizing all their software is going to make everything easier to use in the long run.

	02-12-2003 17:09									#29
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here's outlook on the left and owa on the right. this is the right click menu.

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	02-12-2003 18:12									#30
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Everytime I access the hotmail webpage, I get a spyware warning. So I just download my spyware from Outlook like everyone else.